A fellow mod informed me that about it as I was laying in bed. Reddit sent a message to the mod team and after 1 hour demoded me. I didn’t even had time to see it, never-mind respond to it.

Looks like we rattled reddit enough to start shooting. There goes all that fancy talk about our protest not affecting them much.

Just FYI for now. It’s late here so I’ll see how we proceed tomorrow.

  • Concetta@lemmy.blahaj.zone
    81·
    2 years ago

    This could not be any funnier. Please reddit, take legal control of the piracy subreddit, right as you take the experienced mod team out. I’m sure everything will go fantastic.

  • Iconoclast@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
    35·
    2 years ago

    Haha what the fuck I really did NOT think they would do that to r/piracy of all things. Ah well fuck them and their shitty IPO. I‘m here with you guys for good, the structure of the fediverse suits our purposes and community better anyway.

    • Contend6248@feddit.deEnglish
      19·
      2 years ago

      I would imagine that can lead to legal troubles endorsing r/piracy willingly?

      Accepting it is one thing, but forcing it to open is entirely different.

      • Iconoclast@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
        9·
        2 years ago

        I would imagine too, but who knows, there is a different set of rules for companies and the rich.

        Now that Reddit is asserting direct control over it, maybe they‘ll turn it into an anti-piracy sub to prevent any legal trouble.

    • WisteriaCat@lemmy.fmhy.mlEnglish
      3·
      2 years ago

      Honestly it would probably be easy to force the sub to go dark again via ban by posting direct piracy links.

    • Litanys@lem.cochrun.xyzEnglish
      8·
      2 years ago

      This needs so much more noise! If only some of us were part of major news channels, more shareholders need to know now that reddit is in IPO process. It’ll hurt bad.

  • dogmuffins@lemmy.mlEnglish
    21·
    2 years ago

    This is happening all over reddit.

    Mods are posting all over the place saying “I have to bend over for the admins because if I don’t they’ll find someone else who will”.

    You do you but honestly I find this a bit weird. As an unpaid volunteer you don’t have to do anything. Just resign. Reddit’s not about to die but it’s best days are in the past. I wouldn’t want to be a part of the future of reddit.

  • sol87@lemmy.worldEnglish
    171·
    1 year ago

    "In analyzing the availability of the immunity offered by Section 230, courts generally apply a three-prong test. A defendant must satisfy each of the three prongs to gain the benefit of the immunity:

    1. The defendant must be a “provider or user” of an “interactive computer service”.
    2. The cause of action asserted by the plaintiff must treat the defendant as the “publisher or speaker” of the harmful information at issue.

    3. The information must be “provided by another information content provider”, i.e., the defendant must not be the “information content provider” of the harmful information at issue."

    If Reddit the company is now picking and choosing who approves or blocks harmful information, are they an information content provider now? Are they liable if their chosen mods allow harmful content?

  • arkcom@kbin.social
    12·
    2 years ago

    Obvious that this is automated and will be going out to all subs. They definitely wouldn’t go to bat to keep a piracy sub open, unless they’re even dumber than I thought.

      • VeryAmaze@vlemmy.net
        4·
        2 years ago

        An interesting point about this, is that previously when people would try to gain control over subs with inactive mods the admins would drag their feet as much as possible. (I’m part of a sub where it took almost a year via several requests for the group of new mods to gain ownership of the sub).
        But now some fee-fees got hurt and admins go nuclear and removes mods at lightspeed…

  • Viper_NZ@lemmy.mlEnglish
    10·
    2 years ago

    Reopen with the new rules: All posts must relate to the golden age of piracy!

    • bankimu@lemmy.mlEnglish
      4·
      2 years ago

      Lol but I think don’t reopen; for r/piracy it looks way better if the Pigboy CEO forces it to reopen return legitimate posts IMHO

        • db0@lemmy.dbzer0.comOPMEnglish
          11·
          2 years ago

          This is not a simple problem to solve and it exists nowhere online. The fediverse however affords at least way more control than reddit or any forum where they can do the same and you have no options whatsoever

            • code_is_speech@lemmy.fmhy.mlEnglish
              31·
              2 years ago

              You’ve sold me on nostr as a protocol, and the importance of nomadic identities more generally. Thing is, I don’t and have never used twitter, or any simililar platform, since I’m not really interested in that model of content consumption. (User/follower based)

              I’m much more interested in group/community based models, like lemmy/reddit, and conceptually even futaba/chan style imageboards where users can create their own boards (though I have yet to see one that isn’t a cesspit).

            • db0@lemmy.dbzer0.comOPMEnglish
              11·
              2 years ago

              I checked nosr. It’s very misguided. It’s anti-spam strategy is wishful thinking. I wish them best of luck, but my belief is that it will crash and burn due to trying to fix something unfixable.

                • db0@lemmy.dbzer0.comOPMEnglish
                  1·
                  2 years ago

                  relays can choose to block content.

                  This is so naive I don’t even know where to start. But it’s ok, I don’t need to convince you. Reality will do it for me anyway.

  • Margot Robbie@lemmy.worldEnglish
    7·
    2 years ago

    If reddit decides to moderate the Piracy subreddit directly, does that mean that they’ll be responsible to respond to DMCA requests? If so, that’s going to be a shitshow all in itself.

    • CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
      2·
      2 years ago

      Oh shit, I didn’t even notice what subreddit this was. Please PLEASE someone kick down their door (with legal actions) over this.

    • newIdentity@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      2·
      1 year ago

      They are. That’s why they’re banning subs that are sharing links. R/piracy doesn’t allow the sharing of direct links

  • d_bradr@lemmy.worldEnglish
    6·
    2 years ago

    We’ll build a better ship with a sturdier ram, 32 pounder cannons and free wenches and rum! Dbzer0 for captain, 2023

  • onepinksheep@kbin.social
    6·
    2 years ago

    So basically, according to Reddit, they own everything on Reddit. That means all the the CP, hate speech — and in this case, piracy — that are posted on Reddit are Reddit’s responsibility. Bold strategy, cotton. They’re basically waiving their net neutrality.

    • Lorez@lemmy.dbzer0.com
      3·
      2 years ago

      That means all the the CP, hate speech — and in this case, piracy — that are posted on Reddit are Reddit’s responsibility.

      Of course not, from reddit’s ToS: "By submitting Your Content to the Services, you represent and warrant that you have all rights, power, and authority necessary to grant the rights to Your Content contained within these Terms. Because you alone are responsible for Your Content, you may expose yourself to liability if you post or share Content without all necessary rights.

      You retain any ownership rights you have in Your Content, but you grant Reddit the following license to use that Content:

      When Your Content is created with or submitted to the Services, you grant us a worldwide, royalty-free, perpetual, irrevocable, non-exclusive, transferable, and sublicensable license to use, copy, modify, adapt, prepare derivative works of, distribute, store, perform, and display Your Content and any name, username, voice, or likeness provided in connection with Your Content in all media formats and channels now known or later developed anywhere in the world. This license includes the right for us to make Your Content available for syndication, broadcast, distribution, or publication by other companies, organizations, or individuals who partner with Reddit. You also agree that we may remove metadata associated with Your Content, and you irrevocably waive any claims and assertions of moral rights or attribution with respect to Your Content." –https://www.redditinc.com/policies/user-agreement-september-12-2021

      • onepinksheep@kbin.social
        2·
        2 years ago

        That’s their TOS. Their actions recently — namely undeleting user posts and comments — run directly counter to their TOS. They’re essentially claiming ownership of the user submitted content by doing that.

        • Lorez@lemmy.dbzer0.com
          1·
          2 years ago

          They’re essentially claiming ownership of the user submitted content by doing that.

          Reddit reserves all the rights to everything you post ("When Your Content is created with or submitted to the Services, you grant us a worldwide, royalty-free, perpetual, irrevocable, non-exclusive, transferable, etc., etc.), but you alone are responsible for it (“Because you alone are responsible for Your Content, you may expose yourself to liability if you post or share Content without all necessary rights.”).

          • Womble@lemmy.world
            1·
            2 years ago

            Terms of service are pretty much the legal equivalent of graffiti, they are there to look impressive not mean anything. You’ll struggle to find any legal rulings based on business to consumer TOS because companies know they are very like to get rejected as unenforceable due to discrepancy between the parties and inability to negotiate.

            If reddit are asserting control of content by forcibly publishing it (opening private subs and undeleting comments) then there is a very good chance a judge would see them as being responsible for it.

      • Guy_Fieris_Hair@lemmy.world
        0·
        2 years ago

        Does this, from a legal standpoint, absolve them of what is hosted on their servers? Especially when they just took steps to make sure it is open for bussiness?

        • Lorez@lemmy.dbzer0.com
          1·
          2 years ago

          Not a lawyer, so not sure how enforceable reddit’s ToS is, but the TL;DR (as I read it) is “you’re responsible for everything you post; reddit owns it.”

          • bric@lemm.ee
            1·
            2 years ago

            Which is essentially what section 230 has given all social media companies. They are absolved from responsibility from what users post, but own it all and can moderate (or fail to) however they want. Companies have all of the control

            We need digital rights

  • Death Metal@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
    5·
    2 years ago

    They have done this for years, unfortunately. Admins are the weak spot in Reddit, not the jannies (ironically). My sympathies!