Something I’ve noticed, and it’s consistent enough that I suspect that microsoft does it on purpose, there’s a 50/50 chance that your windows instal will either be fine forever without problems, or plagued with constant issues that get worse with every update. 2 identical machines with the same install media can produce very different experiences.

I use linux now, and I no longer do tech support, so I’m glad I don’t have to deal with that shit anymore.

anonymous, not private. the two ideas are not the same.

i agree. However, they’ll continue to get away with it because it aligns with republican psuedo-christian ideals of oppression.

in some previous times something like this happened (I forgot specifically which), visa/mastercard would deny all payments with a platform until whatever offended them was removed (don’t know if they only threatened that or actually followed through)

yeah, but between now and next time I need it I’ll have forgotten wiztree but will still remember windirstat because I’ve been using it for years.

Since you’re being reasonable again, I’ll answer.

Perhaps “demanded” was the wrong word to use. It got the wrong point across. You did not explicitly ask for it, but rather strongly implied that you wanted the other guy’s argument to be a certain way. (your comment I am referring to is quoted below). Ultimately, you were right, as the plot has thickened over the past 2 hours. In another comment the other guy agreed with the explanation I provided, and used that to claim that proc gen and gen ai are effectively the same (a claim that I disputed in another another comment). So on this point, you win. It was I who misunderstood the other guy’s argument.

I feel like it does. theunknownmuncher thinks it’s somehow inconsistent to be against generative AI while being ok with procedural generation, which implies that they think they’re equivalent in some way. As if the reason people don’t like generative AI is because it makes bad games.

Agreed.

What am I projecting???

This is what using ChatGPT does yo your brain, it destroys your reading comprehension

Why is it that now that I am asking you to explain things, you won’t?

You’re projecting, and being an asshole

Point not proven.

There are many reasons why people in general actively dislike generative ai. Many of those reasons have to do with the creation of the ai (including environmental damage and harm to artists, and more besides), and are applicable regardless of the quality of the end product.

Furthermore, using generative ai does tend to make the end product worse, regardless of what that product is. This does not mean that it is impossible to make good shit with ai, nor does it mean that ai only makes good shit. There’s nuance to the issue that is often ignored.

Furthermore again, there is bandwagonning happening in the hate of ai. However, just begause bandwagonning is a logical fallacy, does not automatically make the arguments wrong (see the fallacy fallacy).

Furthermore the third, developers absolutely can be held at fault for using generative ai. Valve demands ai use be disclosed, they didn’t comply, ipso facto, devs are at fault. However, not all fault is equal. The example being discussed in the original post is much less egregious than most in my opinion. It’s not like they ai generated the entire game asset by asset.

I had another point but already forgot what it was so I’ll leave it at that for now.

I will concede that we have lived different experiences.

You’re projecting, and being an asshole. Pause a minute and collect yourself.

you demanded an equivalence. I gave you one. If you don’t like it then that’s a you problem.

both are used to produce more content with less effort. There’s your equivalence.

What would actually add value to the conversation is discussing why a particular criticism of one may or may not apply to the other.

I actually disagree with the original premise, and explained why in another comment.

You must be young. proc gen used to get tons of hate in the 2010 and such era, gamers complained about devs being lazy and not being willing to actually make levels/worlds/dungeons/whatever. This complaint was of course inconsistently applied.

These days people mostly just got used to it as normal. In 10 or 20 years, I’d wager the same will be true of gen ai.

While your statement is objectively true, it does not pertain to the comment you replied to. Read it again, they were making a comparison. They did not claim that the two things were identical.

fault isn’t zero sum.

both the driver and best buy can be 100% at fault.

idk, it was the first result for “doubt meme” for me.

the Holocaust could have been averted if Hitler was allowed to be an artist, even though he wasn’t very good at it by the standards of his contemporaries.

Art has value even if it is “bad”.

killer queen black still pisses me off. It was still 100% playable without the servers (if you had people to play with), yet they killed all online functions entirely and delisted the game so you can’t even buy it as a couch play game anymore.