I read a comment on here some time ago where the person said they were using cloudflared to expose some of their self-hosted stuff to the Internet so they can access it remotely.

I am currently using it to expose my RSS feed reader, and it works out fine. I also like the simplicity of Cloudflare’s other offerings.

Any thoughts on why cloudflared is not a good idea? What alternatives would you suggest? How easy/difficult are they to setup?

  • fine_sandy_bottom@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
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    1 year ago

    Surely you have to acknowledge that it’s disingenuous to copy the last sentence of the clause and omit the first sentence that says the exact opposite of the point you’re trying to make.

    You’re reading “bad faith” into the vagaries of a terms & conditions document. T&Cs will never say “we will never monetise this data”, that’s just not how T&Cs work, and it’s naive to conclude that the absence of such a statement means that cloudflare intends to monetise the data.

    If you look at cloudlfares strategy here, they want to be the sweetheart of everyone who knows what a VPN is in order that they will be selected by those people for corporate projects. Monetising the data that flows through their network is antithetical to that objective.

    Additionally I would venture that the data doesn’t really have any value, it would be impossible to use it to build data about an individuals browsing or buying habits.

      • fine_sandy_bottom@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
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        1 year ago

        The first part of the sentence you quoted says “subject to the terms of this agreement”. The most salient part of the agreement is the sentence you omitted.

        Your claim was:

        You’ll have to be fine with Cloudflare having any and all rights to the data transmitted through the tunnel, while you in return have none.

        … and you omitted the sentence which describes the rights you have as the user, contradicting your assertion that users have none. If you don’t think that’s disingenuous then I don’t know what to tell you mate.

      • fine_sandy_bottom@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
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        1 year ago

        Cloudflare is a business and if they see more value in selling you out, and legally you agreed they may, then they will.

        Exactly. My whole point is that there’s no value in selling you out. Their whole strategy is to garner favor with privacy conscious individuals like your good self.

        Acting “antiethical”

        You realise antiethical is not a word right?

        I would pay you $5 monthly for all the data going through your tunnel

        I don’t actually use any cloudflare products. However, I believe this is more or less the crux of our delightful tête-à-tête: how do you propose to derive value from my data?