Like, from inside China to the outside, but a bilateral solution would be fine with me, too.

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    Depends - how many family members do you have that the PRC might use against you? or who would miss you if the PRC black bagged you?

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      VPN’s aren’t illegal in china, and they don’t go about random people who use them. Unless you are very vocal and high profile person no one will black bag you in a country of billion people, lol.

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        VPNs as a technology might not be illegal but circumventing the firewall certainly is.

        Unless you are very vocal and high profile person no one will black bag you in a country of billion people, lol.

        This is a bit of a misunderstanding about how things work in an authoritarian system. Sure, you might fly under the radar for awhile, but if you call attention to yourself (say, by getting caught trying to bypass the government firewall) and you are not high-profile, then it is very low-effort to make you disappear. Few will notice, and those that do will stay silent out of fear.

        If you are more high-profile you still get black-bagged, you just get released after, with your behavior suitably modified.

        Naomi Wu no longer uploads to YouTube.

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          Ffs you do not get disappeared for using vpns especially personal ones. You can install vpns that circumvent firewalls as long as they are blessed by ccp and they are sold using wechat. For non compliant ones it’s the same. It’s you who misunderstands how authoritarian systems work, noone tries to nail you for doing something semi-illegal, you will be dissapeared for non-conforming not for exploiting system.

          Tap for spoiler

          I work in the vpn industry and we had multiple consultations and tests done in china.

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      It’s crazy that this is an opinion that people really have. I don’t like authoritarian states and I have a lot of issues with the CCP, but this isn’t true at all. Loads of native Chinese living in China uses a VPN. They don’t care about it.