That’s for every individual reading this to decide. It will either mean something or nothing to you.
Personally, I don’t think billionaires should exist. Even the ones that I think have done cool things. And I definitely don’t think anyone needs 6 yachts in a world that is burning.
Gabe shouldnt be able to have the money he has, but his yacht ownership isn’t the issue many are making when pointing it out. One is his home, full time, any home he was going own was realistically going to suck for the environment. Last I read the others are all like research vessels, emergency medical facilities for disaster relief, and humanitarian aid, and shit. Not like a zuck’s smaller yacht to act as a helipad for his larger yacht thing.
maybe some day we will have a system that prevents people from having that much money, until then any place with an active enough economy has some assholes owning yachts.
Personally, I don’t think billionaires should exist. Even the ones that I think have done cool things.
Yeah, it’s in the intersection of two “doubt” points making one “almost sure” point.
First, people getting power get spoiled fast, it’s not possible to resist, it’s as if I could have any girl I like and she’d like me and I knew that, just no chance to avoid a sensory burnout after a few months of, eh, feeling that. The possibility that a person can resist that is very small, people like Aristotle Onassis, maybe.
Second, if one person is worth, say, 12000 times more than another person, it’s important to ask whether they really are, or they can be replaced with like 50 of equals of that another person with proper organization and discipline. The possibility that they really are is almost negligibly small, there are a few people alive for whom one can suggest that and maybe more, but most are like those people we know and love.
I can imagine Gabe Newel being worth 100, maybe 1000 times me for the humanity, purely financially, but something of bigger orders of magnitude seems preposterous. Not even touching upon money affecting our relative legal power balance, where even factor 2 difference is just morally not acceptable.
Not that I’m of any bad opinion of Gabe, Steam is one today’s company that both doesn’t abuse its customers too much and does a lot of work on the positive side.
LMAO tell me you are not a dev without telling me.
Steam does a shitton for devs, the 30% is literally only for sales through their storefront, I can get any amount of keys and resell them wherever I want and give valve nothing, and they’ll still host all my shit, check ownership, handle copy sharing in family libraries, handle patching and beta tests, all for a one time fee that is even refunded if you ever get past a certain amount of copies sold.
You have no idea what the fuck you’re talking about.
If you’re a game dev, then you should also know how valuable every service steam gives is, if you’re just “a dev” then it’s not really relevant beyond understanding how much setting up all of that infrastructure would cost in terms of time, effort, marketing to actually get discoverability, and actual server costs once you need to scale.
Either way you should know enough to get that 30% is absolutely worth it.
They could, but why would they when 30% is fair still? You are not entitled to setting other people’s asking price, and they are entitled to setting the cost of their own labour.
If anyone is greedy here it’s you, demanding to have a say in how much is a fair rate for someone else’s time and skill.
valve and steam are not the friendly aw shucks corporation they’ve been whitewashed into.
And the goalposts go flying.
Who the fuck cares if valve is cute and cuddly? Who even wants that in a marketplace other than morons who think they can take advantage of someone else’s kindness?
Valve is a company, their job is to make money for the people who own it.
You the customer want the most out of your transaction with them, they know it make it a priority.
They understand that devs working there making fucktons of money is good because they’ll stay and be motivated to work, so they are selective on who they hire and then pay them an insane amount.
They want to avoid microsoft cutting their nuts off so they pushed linux as a viable alternative.
They want devs to sell on their platform so they refined a business deal that works well enough that they get several new games on their storefront a day and still make back their operating costs, despite servers that can literally be used to benchmark several gigabit download connections.
They are the most economically effective company in the world and they achieved it by not enshittifying their platform and not going public.
Selflessness would literally be a downgrade, I want Valve to have every damn cent they earned.
They’re not the only game in town, they are the best game in town, and at every turn they make an effort not to become a monopoly, either, because they know the good will of their customer base is more important than attempts at short term spikes in company revenue, which is only possible because they are a privately held company.
So yeah, are they cuddly and nice? No, fuck no, but they are extremely effective while providing a service that puts every other provider in their field to shame, so why the fuck would I want them to change?
If this was true steam would have failed from the start. Instead, the service actually does offer a ton of benefits to both users and developers/publishers including distribution of sales, updates, additional features like forums, friends, and other things that have varying levels of positive or negative benefits to different people. That isn’t even mentioning Proton or the steam deck, just what it between the makers of the games and the people who play them.
Lootboxes are bullshit, sure. He should have spread out the benefits more to the employees as well. But the 30% cut for ‘nothing’ is incorrect.
Greedily taking up an obscene excess of resources and producing crazy amount of emissions and pollution makes the planet less livable for the rest of us. Yachts do those things.
So what?
That’s for every individual reading this to decide. It will either mean something or nothing to you.
Personally, I don’t think billionaires should exist. Even the ones that I think have done cool things. And I definitely don’t think anyone needs 6 yachts in a world that is burning.
Gabe shouldnt be able to have the money he has, but his yacht ownership isn’t the issue many are making when pointing it out. One is his home, full time, any home he was going own was realistically going to suck for the environment. Last I read the others are all like research vessels, emergency medical facilities for disaster relief, and humanitarian aid, and shit. Not like a zuck’s smaller yacht to act as a helipad for his larger yacht thing.
maybe some day we will have a system that prevents people from having that much money, until then any place with an active enough economy has some assholes owning yachts.
Yeah, it’s in the intersection of two “doubt” points making one “almost sure” point.
First, people getting power get spoiled fast, it’s not possible to resist, it’s as if I could have any girl I like and she’d like me and I knew that, just no chance to avoid a sensory burnout after a few months of, eh, feeling that. The possibility that a person can resist that is very small, people like Aristotle Onassis, maybe.
Second, if one person is worth, say, 12000 times more than another person, it’s important to ask whether they really are, or they can be replaced with like 50 of equals of that another person with proper organization and discipline. The possibility that they really are is almost negligibly small, there are a few people alive for whom one can suggest that and maybe more, but most are like those people we know and love.
I can imagine Gabe Newel being worth 100, maybe 1000 times me for the humanity, purely financially, but something of bigger orders of magnitude seems preposterous. Not even touching upon money affecting our relative legal power balance, where even factor 2 difference is just morally not acceptable.
Not that I’m of any bad opinion of Gabe, Steam is one today’s company that both doesn’t abuse its customers too much and does a lot of work on the positive side.
I’d argue that’s precisely when you need 6 yachts, possibly more.
If the coasts are gonna flood you should porbably own things that float.
He earned his money. Who cares how many yatchs he decided to buy with it?
Yeah… earned…
How do you do fellow temporarily embarrassed billionaire?
Yeah man, totally a billionaire over here scratching together coins for a lucy. You caught me.
No one earns a billion dollars.
Yawn
I do, that’s why I said something.
And nobody has “earned” that much wealth. Absolutely no one.
You’ve got bigger issues if all you care about someone is their monetary wealth.
I don’t think anything I said implies that it’s all I care about friend, and I’d say you don’t care enough.
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LMAO tell me you are not a dev without telling me.
Steam does a shitton for devs, the 30% is literally only for sales through their storefront, I can get any amount of keys and resell them wherever I want and give valve nothing, and they’ll still host all my shit, check ownership, handle copy sharing in family libraries, handle patching and beta tests, all for a one time fee that is even refunded if you ever get past a certain amount of copies sold.
You have no idea what the fuck you’re talking about.
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If you’re a game dev, then you should also know how valuable every service steam gives is, if you’re just “a dev” then it’s not really relevant beyond understanding how much setting up all of that infrastructure would cost in terms of time, effort, marketing to actually get discoverability, and actual server costs once you need to scale.
Either way you should know enough to get that 30% is absolutely worth it.
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They could, but why would they when 30% is fair still? You are not entitled to setting other people’s asking price, and they are entitled to setting the cost of their own labour.
If anyone is greedy here it’s you, demanding to have a say in how much is a fair rate for someone else’s time and skill.
Is that downvote the number of games you’ve released?
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You stated your opinion as a fact, and qualified it by saying you’re a game dev.
Back up that claim. Shouldn’t be hard to do.
And the goalposts go flying.
Who the fuck cares if valve is cute and cuddly? Who even wants that in a marketplace other than morons who think they can take advantage of someone else’s kindness?
Valve is a company, their job is to make money for the people who own it.
Selflessness would literally be a downgrade, I want Valve to have every damn cent they earned.
They’re not the only game in town, they are the best game in town, and at every turn they make an effort not to become a monopoly, either, because they know the good will of their customer base is more important than attempts at short term spikes in company revenue, which is only possible because they are a privately held company.
So yeah, are they cuddly and nice? No, fuck no, but they are extremely effective while providing a service that puts every other provider in their field to shame, so why the fuck would I want them to change?
What games do you have on steam/gog/epic?
If this was true steam would have failed from the start. Instead, the service actually does offer a ton of benefits to both users and developers/publishers including distribution of sales, updates, additional features like forums, friends, and other things that have varying levels of positive or negative benefits to different people. That isn’t even mentioning Proton or the steam deck, just what it between the makers of the games and the people who play them.
Lootboxes are bullshit, sure. He should have spread out the benefits more to the employees as well. But the 30% cut for ‘nothing’ is incorrect.
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Greedily taking up an obscene excess of resources and producing crazy amount of emissions and pollution makes the planet less livable for the rest of us. Yachts do those things.
Spoken by someone who has no clue what those yahts actually do.
Indeed so what. I just need to come up with steam 2.0. And I will call it… ELECTRICITY