You can stop being condescending, it’s not welcomed.
As for national plunder, all of the claims I have seen are of soldiers taking things. Not exactly a massive wealth transfer.
In 1956, when First Secretary of the Polish United Workers’ Party Gomułka was summoned to Moscow, he made some secret notes (that are now public) counting what infrastructure did Moscow stole (as in - systematically took apart, moved to USSR) from Poland (by 1956!):
hundreds different factories lost all machinery
thousands of small manufactories (think pa & ma small manufactories)
8 (!) power stations (from Górny Śląśk)
coke oven gas pipeline 115km,
all big chemistry factories from Polic to Kędzierzyn (value of 1 200 000 000 pre-war $)
4000 km of rails!
heavy machine factories in Jelcz, Łabędy, Zielona Góra, Wrocław, Elbląg, Szczecin
machinery from Mines in Bolesławiec
about 2/3 of machines from the biggest shipyard in Poland (the rest were too big to move)
You’re saying that industry was plundered without looking at the context, which is that industry was massively expanded in Poland under Soviet economic policy. The fact that machinery was appropriated and reallocated throughout the USSR is precisely what one would expect if a nation that was under the bourgeois rule of production anarchy was suddenly and necessarily integrated into a centrally planned system following the destruction of the most powerful bourgeois military ever fielded at the time.
The idea that you consider the removal of pipeline to be national plundering but ignore the expansion of heavy industry under the Soviet economic program shows you don’t have a grip on what plunder means. You could count any reallocation of machinery as plunder if you are willing to ignore the entire other half of the balance sheet. The real plunder is national wealth, social services for the masses, food stores to stave off famine, art and cultural relics, etc. There was some of that, again, not to the extent of the West, but it’s worth noting. But power plant machinery? Please. You pretend that the USSR plunged Poland into an agrarian bronze age when the exact opposite is true.
Stop carrying water for the rich elite and the petite bourgeoisie who lost their livelihoods when communism came in.
You think 14 paper factories is worthy of inclusion in the national wealth of Poland and supports your claim of national plunder? Foolish.
For some reason some Western and all of Russian researchers say that P oland being occupied by USSR did wonders to Polish economy, while Polish researchers say otherwise. I wonder why. Oh, btw, the same is true if you look at any other colonized country.
The idea that you consider the removal of pipeline to be national plundering but ignore the expansion of heavy industry under the Soviet economic program shows you don’t have a grip on what plunder means. You could count any reallocation of machinery as plunder if you are willing to ignore the entire other half of the balance sheet.
You mean rebuying similar equipment to stolen one, from USSR, on credit, and then processing the resources for them and selling them back by the price USSR dictated?
You pretend that the USSR plunged Poland into an agrarian bronze age
I did nothing of the sort. You said you’re unaware of systematic wealth transfer, plunder, by USSR. So I showcased, with sources, an example of that.
Foolish
Yes. So far you’ve proven that you’re unable to think or say that USSR did anything wrong, and glorify all the actions undertaken.
If that’s not romanticizing, I don’t know what is.
You can stop being condescending, it’s not welcomed.
In 1956, when First Secretary of the Polish United Workers’ Party Gomułka was summoned to Moscow, he made some secret notes (that are now public) counting what infrastructure did Moscow stole (as in - systematically took apart, moved to USSR) from Poland (by 1956!):
Source - Rolicki “Gierek”, pages 110-120 summarized Gomułka notes
https://www.jstor.org/stable/3001363
You’re saying that industry was plundered without looking at the context, which is that industry was massively expanded in Poland under Soviet economic policy. The fact that machinery was appropriated and reallocated throughout the USSR is precisely what one would expect if a nation that was under the bourgeois rule of production anarchy was suddenly and necessarily integrated into a centrally planned system following the destruction of the most powerful bourgeois military ever fielded at the time.
The idea that you consider the removal of pipeline to be national plundering but ignore the expansion of heavy industry under the Soviet economic program shows you don’t have a grip on what plunder means. You could count any reallocation of machinery as plunder if you are willing to ignore the entire other half of the balance sheet. The real plunder is national wealth, social services for the masses, food stores to stave off famine, art and cultural relics, etc. There was some of that, again, not to the extent of the West, but it’s worth noting. But power plant machinery? Please. You pretend that the USSR plunged Poland into an agrarian bronze age when the exact opposite is true.
Stop carrying water for the rich elite and the petite bourgeoisie who lost their livelihoods when communism came in.
You think 14 paper factories is worthy of inclusion in the national wealth of Poland and supports your claim of national plunder? Foolish.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/365316318_Stosunki_gospodarcze_miedzy_Polska_a_ZSRR_Economic_relations_between_People’s_Poland_and_the_USSR
For some reason some Western and all of Russian researchers say that P oland being occupied by USSR did wonders to Polish economy, while Polish researchers say otherwise. I wonder why. Oh, btw, the same is true if you look at any other colonized country.
You mean rebuying similar equipment to stolen one, from USSR, on credit, and then processing the resources for them and selling them back by the price USSR dictated?
I did nothing of the sort. You said you’re unaware of systematic wealth transfer, plunder, by USSR. So I showcased, with sources, an example of that.
Yes. So far you’ve proven that you’re unable to think or say that USSR did anything wrong, and glorify all the actions undertaken.
If that’s not romanticizing, I don’t know what is.