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Lemmy.ml has a lot of communists, the main devs of Lemmy are Marxist-Leninists. That being said, anti-communism’s ties to fascism are historically documented and accepted even by liberal historians. I recommend reading Blackshirts and Reds.
For what it’s worth, your instance already blocks most of the communist content on Lemmy for you, it comes pre-censored for you. This is just the stuff that slips through the cracks.
And I’m here just for memes… Maybe another meme group without so much political content would be better suited for me. 🤷🏻♂️
Lemmy.ml has a non-political meme comm as well. This comm allows political content.
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Fascism and anti-communism, as I said, are historically linked, beyond just Nazis hating communists. I again recommend reading Blackshirts and Reds. Wherever there has been a strong anti-communist movement, it has been tied to fascism in some way.
So, when you say “anti-communism”, do you mean an organized front resisting and opposing communism, or just anyone who has an non-pro-communist opinion?
I imagine if I said something like “yeah capitalism has failed us, but that doesn’t mean I want a planned economy” you might respond by saying I’m a wishy-washy centrist.
“Capitalism has failed us, instead of the only scientific ideology that is based in materialism, I am going to pick some vibes based bullshit I learnt on a Yogurt commercial”
Typical libshit
This inert attitude to politics is why our planet is fucked
I might get pushback for this, but I don’t think being ambivalent about communism is directly tied to fascism, mostly the usually violent anti-communism. I’d say the former can easily lead to the latter, as liberalism and fascism are the same ideology in different circumstances in my view, but that the former is generally a lack of good political education in my opinion. Most communists were not that way from birth.
I have to admit this may be a failing in my own political education. 😅 Why do you think liberalism and fascism are “the same ideology in different circumstances”? I think McCarthyism is a modern example of violent anti-communism, and I agree, that got really close to fascism. (Although I could argue that violent anti-anything would lead to fascism.)
I’m wondering if, like, Marxism-Leninism is something like “communism is what organized societies would naturally look like, and everything else is an authority asserting itself unfairly” sort of mindset.
To simplify, ideas are the results of existing material conditions. The ideas a worker has are informed by their experiences as a worker, and the same is true of capitalists. These sets of ideas, among those with similar positions, take on similar characters. Not the same, but similar enough. Workers tend to be more progressive, more unified, as an example.
Ideologies are the same way. Liberalism is the “nicer face” of capitalism. It’s the part of capitalism that gets to pretend that the market helps all, that we can achieve the perfect system through carefully tweaking capitalism, etc. Fascism is the “meaner face” of capitalism. Fascism arises when capitalism is in dire conditions, and needs to violently protect itself, be it through colonizing their neighbors, murdering labor organizers, or using state planning in conjunction with the large capitalists to pivot to a more full economy, rescuing capitalism from its crisis by grinding the working class into dust.
Both are the ideological “superstructures” of capitalism. Neither is truly distinct from the other. In times of plenty, we call capitalist systems “liberal,” but when those same systems turn to violent measures to retain the same conditions of production, we call it “fascist.” It’s the same system, different conditions.
Marxism-Leninism is neither. It’s a tool for the working class, one that is informed by practice, and whose express purpose is to usher in a world that has resolved the contradictions of capitalism into the next stage in development, collectivized ownership and planning. Where humanity has become the master of production, and not slaves to the whims of profit. Marxism-Leninism is not the “natural state,” it’s a tool to get from this natural state to the next, more just natural state.
This is my perspective, which is certainly Marxist-Leninist, though other MLs may disagree with how I’ve described things and I don’t dare claim that the specific analysis of fascism and liberalism as the same in different conditions is the definitive “ML stance.” I’m also not taking credit for inventing it either, it’s an old position as far as I know.
When the anti-communist crowd start to repeat nazi propaganda is kinda difficult to tell the difference between them.
While the name of the community is not explicitly communist, the instance it’s on absolutely is. Lemmy.ml is a communist instance.
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Always noteworthy that western countries (the US especially) never had the equivalent of a “red-scare”, but for nazis and other stripes of fascists. Instead they hired them to help in the colonial project as cops, feds, prison guards, and intelligence assets.
Please report any brigading genocidal liberals so we can get to them asap.
what is it with the amount of libs being stupid in here lately?
No idea but there has been an increase I feel
Too simple view, all nazis are anti-communists, but not all anti-communists are nazis (socialists, anarchists…)
Anti-communism, even coming from the “left,” is still deeply reactionary. It’s largely a petite-bourgeois ideology, valuing individualism over inter-national prosperity for all. Not all anarchists are anti-communists, many times in history Marxists and anarchists have worked together to achieve common goals. The anarchists that are anti-communist, however, are reactionary and anti-proletarian.
Any socialist that doesn’t eventually want to reach communism is either a social democrat, ie not a socialist at all but a welfare capitalist, or is someone that doesn’t understand how socialism works its way towards full collectivization and internationalism.
Anti-communist “leftists” do the jobs of the imperialist bourgeoisie for them. Rather than uniting all that can be, they side with the imperialists in the conflict between imperialists and communists. Such a strategic error is thoroughly backwards, and is convenient for those who wish to endlessly critique the world without actually rolling up their sleeves to change it.
question: i consider myself anarchist, and i have nothing against communism itself besides the fact that i prefer anarchism and will always chose that over communism, does that make me anti-communist? or that would be it to actively boicot and actively go against communism and communists?
That’s not anticom that’s just typical anarchist
so, being anticom is basically act like a nazi then, right? XD
Usually, they are either nazis under sheets, or down the nazi pipeline
People really even become leftists and then deadass become nazbols or some shit because they are just that racist
Agree, only means that calling Nazi all anti-communist is a falacy and much the cause of the force of the right wings. The left isn’t often capable to agree with others because some idiologic differences, even if they all communists, but Leninists, Trotzkists, Marxists, Maoists, Stalinists, etc., while the right only need a briefcase with money to agree with the other rightwings.
The politics is to make commitments to create a common force against a powerful enemy. Important are the common goals of different points of view, not the “only my truth is the only valid”, this is precisly the fascism and the danger of simplifying “anti-community = Nazi”, we need commonsensism, not wiggeling red flags and Mao-Bibles, but educate and speak with the people. Still a long way to go.
Anti-communism and fascism are tied, historically. Whenever a violent reaction against communists has occured, historically, these have been thoroughly intermixed with nationalism and fascism. It’s important to recognize the ties.
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Well there has to be some instance standing against the empires lies/misinformation about China, Russia, and the DPRK and their liberal army 🙄
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You are just spreading western lies and then using a thought terminating cliche with that pejorative of yours to do no further critical thinking
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Oh yeppers that checks out, the fed instance 😁
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Ah yes, equating a working class movement that uplifted hundreds of millions from poverty and killed 85% of the Nazis in World War II with a genocidal bourgeois reaction that murdered tens of millions out of racial, sexual, ableist, and political supremacy. Gotta love historical nihilism and horseshoe theory.
Read Blackshirts and Reds. Quit it with the Holocaust minimization.
What in the fuck are you talking about
Average horseshoe theorist.
Yeppers, just continuing the US empires desired narratives, why don’t you think for yourself?
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Sure, except Pepsi is liberalism and coke is fascism. Socialism would be water, or even tea or coffee. Maybe kombucha or tepaché.
That’s not true. Some are just useful idiots.
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Ah yes, equating a working class movement that uplifted hundreds of millions from poverty and killed 85% of the Nazis in World War II with a genocidal bourgeois reaction that murdered tens of millions out of racial, sexual, ableist, and political supremacy. Gotta love historical nihilism and horseshoe theory.
Read Blackshirts and Reds. Quit it with the Holocaust minimization.
Yes indeed, providing for all is basically the same as genocide.
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Socialist movements have provided healthcare, education, literacy programs, doubled life expectancy in Russia and China, and far more. The vast majority of those who lived in the USSR regret the fall of socialism. The vast majority of Chinese citizens approve of their system.
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“Brainwashing” as a concept doesn’t exist. People license themselves to believe that which benefits them is good. The concept of “brainwashing” was invented by an American to justify why people support socialism. Read Masses, Elites, and Rebels: The Theory of “Brainwashing.”
Further, it’s the Kim family, Un is half of Kim Jong-Un’s given name. The fact that you have no clue how Korean names work yet feel confident in speaking about it is just chauvanism, same with your racist rant against Russians.
Finally, the Soviet Union was neither fascist nor imperialist. Fascism supports private property and the bourgeoisie, socialism supports the proletariat and collectivized property. They are opposites. Read Blackshirts and Reds.
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I guess you’re so far-right even Wikipedia is too “left” for you?
The entire project of MKUltra was the US trying and failing to prove brainwashing exists. The fact of the matter is that socialists support socialist systems because of the benefits they provide, like greater access to healthcare and education, and more democratization than capitalist systems. It isn’t blind loyalty, but a genuine belief based on material improvements in their lives as compared to previous conditions that results in citizens of socialist countries defending their system. The same applies for USians that defend the genocidal imperialist US regime.
As for the name-correction, I pointed it out because anyone who has spent more than 5 seconds learning about Korea in general knows that Kim Jong-Un’s father was Kim Jong-Il, and Kim Il-Sung his father. If you’re trying to critique the persistence of the Kim family in the DPRK’s politics yet don’t even know their names, it’s abundantly clear that you have no clue what you’re talking about and have done no study, no reading. All you have is chauvanism. You cannot critique the DPRK based on vibes, you need to actually study it, otherwise your critique is just based on personal feelings of superiority.
Yes, the Soviet Union liberated many areas, but millitary intervention isn’t imperialism. Imperialism is a method of economic extraction. The US and western Europe are imperialist becayse they use their vast financial capital to expropriate vast sums of wealth from the global south, the USSR never practiced that, nor could it, as its economy wasn’t based on financial capital but public ownership and collective planning. The majority of people who lived in the Soviet Union want it back.
Please, read a book. I linked several articles and books for you to serve as a good start, right now you’re just proving the meme correct with your far-right chauvanism driving all of your points. You’re so far-right even Wikipedia is too “woke” for you for showing that “brainwashing” doesn’t exist and was just an invention of the CIA during the Cold War.
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Ahh well one day you’ll learn to apply the same critical thinking skills to intangibles.
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the wise man bowed his head solemnly and spoke: “theres actually zero difference between good & bad things. you imbecile. you fucking moron.”
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Yeah you do.
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Thinking nazis and communists are exactly the same is so brutally stupid that I don’t even know what to say man.
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Aw come on mods, I wanted to see what Mr. I Don’t Have a Concept of What Different Words Mean had to say. I’m sure it was something super smart and enlightening.
The hate is just fueled by the capitalist US empire, you should not continue to spread it
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