• EarMaster@lemmy.world
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    7 days ago

    The original petition is already pretty nebulous and without specific demands. Leaving it in a reasonably functional (playable) state is such a broad claim you can as well extend it to other demands.

    I will accept any amount of downvotes for this, but please come back in 5 years and tell me I have been wrong.

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      8 days ago

      While I agree that the current state of SKG is painfully light on ideas for practical implementation, it is at least focused on a single issue.

      A plan could be arrived at.

      Trying to tack on tangentially-related stuff like workers’ rights is only going to get the whole thing bogged down in conflicting discussions.

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        7 days ago

        The funny thing is: The campaign relies on politicians to define the final implementation of this. That will most likely fail spectacularly. Adding worker rights to it will most likely increase the chance of success, because at least that is something they have experts for…

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      8 days ago

      That’s still inherently more specific than ‘that plus nebulous notions of workers rights’.

      Also, that’s not nebulous in terms of end user expectation, that’s just nebulous in terms of technical implementation.

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        8 days ago

        And it needs to be, because being specific could run into legal issues, such as if you require the server binaries to be available, you’re now violating copyright. The law should specify the result, not the process to get there.

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          8 days ago

          The law is specifying the end user result. Keep the game we bought available to play in the way we bought it.

          Questions about server binaries and copyright are implementation details for companies to work out.

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            7 days ago

            That’s not specific “the way we bought it” could be argued to require servers to be kept running and no company will take actions to put themselves in a position to get sued.

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              The way we bought it just requires the server code to be available to run, if does not require any specific company running servers. And running servers is not a suable offense.

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                4 days ago

                I didn’t say it was, but a lot of people are wanting offline access.

                Point is it’s not inherently clear with one vision what SKG is. Just like Brexit and any number of dumb things it’s been marketed in a shotgun approach to get as many people on board as possible and coasting on a “well the EU politicians will just figure out what we want”

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                  The problem with Brexit not the lack of clarity, it was that it was a fundamentally dumb idea motivated but dumbness.

                  It was a bunch of people who blamed every problem on the EU for no sound reason and thus they supported a self harming policy.

                  This is a situation where the policy is fundamentally sound, it just needs some clarity around implementation details. This is literally how government is supposed to work.

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                    True, but it only got so popular because they had convinced both groups, hard and soft. I have no idea how they managed to convince people that Northern Ireland wouldn’t be an issue.

                    But back to the real point. Yeah, I thought GDPR would be good, but in practice it’s not changed the cookie/tracking landscape at all. Most places you’d have to send a letter to to get them to removed your data, and most would probably not be able to comply. Meanwhile we now have options that are subscribe (meaning they have legitimate reason to track and monitor you) or accept their ads and tracking cookies.

                    I think you have too much faith in them.