• Jerkface (any/all)@lemmy.ca
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    9
    arrow-down
    8
    ·
    2 days ago

    That isn’t an objective measure. You’re not examining characteristics of governance, you are examining public views on governance. In the 80s Canada had an image problem domestically and internationally. Did Canada change? Hell no! We engaged one of the most successful PR campaigns in modern history, and suddenly we’re all stroking each other off and receiving international plaudits, even while we continue to burn our children’s future for fuel.

      • Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.ml
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        15
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        2 days ago

        Guessing it’s some nonsense like conflating a multi-party system with democracy, even though multi-party systems have a worse track-record when it comes to actually representing the public will because factionalism better allows for opportunism. Fundamentally, the policy proposal process in the PRC is more bottom-up, while being executed from the top-down.

    • Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.ml
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      18
      arrow-down
      4
      ·
      2 days ago

      Who has any right to tell the people of China how they should choose to govern themselves? Evidently they approve of their system at higher rates, believe democracy is more important at higher rates, and believe they are democratic at higher rates, all of which are consistent.

      • Jerkface (any/all)@lemmy.ca
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        6
        arrow-down
        14
        ·
        edit-2
        2 days ago

        Cute rhetoric. The dichotomy isn’t, “ask people what they think vs tell people what to think.” The dichotomy is, “subjective vs objective.” You could be taking objective measurements. What you are measuring is not what you are claiming. These charts only allow you to talk about people’s perceptions (as it clearly says on the infographic) and not the underlying realities. Your implicit point has to be that believing you have equal right is just as good as actually HAVING them.

        • Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.ml
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          17
          arrow-down
          1
          ·
          2 days ago

          What is democracy if not rule by the people? What better objective measure of democracy would you posit than the people directly saying that their input is heard, their interests are pressed forth, and that their structure is democratic?