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Yes! I was just reading a post from the authors of Lemmy on lemmy.ml, and noticed I was not logged in. I assume that because lemmy.ml is another instance, I can’t log in with my usual lemmy.world credentials, but since it is federated I should be able to post, correct? However, I am not sure how, and I think a lot of people would just try logging in normally, since it’s just Lemmy, right? Lemmy.ml might be safe, but I think it could be possible to confuse people into entering their password for fediverse sites on malicious instances, which steal their credentials. It’s a little bit confusing to noobs like myself to be honest.
An app that can manage credentials and post properly across compatible instances and show informative messages to notify the user if and why they cannot post would be very useful, managing multiple accounts seamlessly even more useful!
Well think about it with this crude kind of inaccurate analogy.
You have a windows laptop. Your friend has a windows laptop. When you’re logged in to your laptop you can send your friend email. And see his emails to you.
But just because your laptop is windows and his laptop is windows doesn’t mean your windows log-in would work on his right? Lemmy works more like that. Reddit is kind of like one large windows laptop and everyone gets their own keyboard. Your log in works no matter which keyboard you use.
You may notice that Lemmy communities have the @ symbol like an email. So tech@lemmy.world is different from tech@lemmy.ml (just like how robert@yahoo.com is not the same account as robert@gmail.com). They MAY be made by the same Robert but there’s no guarantee.
You really just need one account. So in the communities tab from your instance (Lemmy.world) you can search for the community on the other instance (Lemmy.ml) for example tech@lemmy.ml.
Your account let’s you post and comment on @lemmy.ml posts
Even when you understand all that, though, it does just feel weird and unintuitive that you have to search for the community you want to interact with from within your home instance, and can’t just directly go to that instance’s website, e.g. beehaw.org, and log in.
Having an app (including a desktop app) to point people to that would just consolidate everything for a given user so that it’s more intuitive, and so that you can easily switch between accounts or set it up to see posts from all your accounts together, would make it a lot easier on newbies, and make navigation more convenient for everyone else as well.
You don’t need to make multiple accounts though? You go to lemmy.world, or wherever your account is and find your communities, anywhere in the fediverse from there.
To expand on the above analogy, if you are on your laptop, and your buddy is on his laptop hooked to the same network and you need a file off his computer you don’t go to that computer to create an account and get the file, you just access it through the network you are both attached to. You can make comments and post all through the network.
I have not seen the need to manage multiple accounts so far. I am logged into thelemmy.club but am subscribed to lemmy.world which works fine since it is federated. I am able to reply to you from thelemmy.club. Most of the content I follow is from other (non club) servers and have not had any issues interacting with people.
You would need a separate account to participate in instances your home instance isn’t federated with, ie anyone logged into lemmy.world would need a different account to use beehaw
I think this is where I lucked out when I had so many issues creating an account on lemmy.world. I ended up making an account at thelemmy.club instead and it seems I can see and respond to all content from here so far.
One of the last messages from the developer of Sync had said they were considering making a Sync for Lemmy… The guy’s attention to detail and customizability of Sync for Reddit has me hoping real hard for that.
Considering the Reddit API changes are leaving an enormous amount of mobile dev talent flapping in the breeze, I’m really looking forward to seeing some really innovative apps in the nearish future.
Oh my god if JDL made Sync for Lemmy I would buy it yesterday. I was a Sync Dev user for like 5 years, such a great app and the developer is amazing.
I’m 11 years into using Sync.
My first year of college, the only smart device I had was an iPod Touch. After I found Reddit, I installed Alien Blue on the iPod as my first Reddit app experience.
A couple years later, I bought my first real smartphone, which ran Android. And I was so keen to try to find “the Alien Blue of Android” I tried probably half a dozen Reddit apps. It didn’t take me long to recognize Sync as the uncontested best of the lot, and I’ve been using it ever since.
Until now.
Absolutely! Sync was my favorite Reddit app. It’s perfect. Take my money guys.
That would be amazing. I’m sure it would be a lot of work, but I don’t think he would be starting from scratch. I would think he could use many existing components. I’m sure many people would pay for it, I know I would.
I would actually spend money on Lemmy Sync. Though I’d also love if some of the Reddit app devs went grey hat and implemented token spoofing like Twidere on Android has for Twitter - that app lets me view my Mastodon “timeline” and Twitter timeline in the same feed by telling Twitter’s API that it’s totally the normal iPhone Twitter app.
I’ve been using Jerboa for Lemmy on Android. It’s pretty good so far. Still getting the hang of Lemmy in general.
Same but its incredibility buggy and unintuitive for me
It definitely has bugs. I had to load this thread 8 times to get the correct comments to load. Some of this could be user error, buts it’s a free app that works pretty dang well.
Same… I’m pretty confused about some stuff but it’s close enough to reddit to where I’m kinda figuring it out
holy shit we’re devolving back to rage memes? Last I saw this shit I rode a yellow bus to school
How long was this bus
All I need is an iOS client that fucking works!
Yes, buying an iPhone 8 was the worst decision I ever made
Since instances love to defederate so much, we need an app to connect everything together again.
-Giuseppe Garibaldi
the safari iOS experience is not great
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WHAT DO WE WANT?
AN APP THAT COULD FEDERATE INTO A SINGLE FEED ALL OUR LEMMY/KBIN/BEEHAW ACCOUNTS EITHER THE INSTANCES ARE FEDERATED OR NOT!
WHEN DO WE WANT IT?
AS SOON AS POSSIBLE! NO PRESSURE BUT… LIKE… SOON?
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This may be the (realistic) “fix” to duplicate communities in multiple instances. No fix on the server end, just* a reader app that can amalgamate the feeds so it is transparent to the end user.
* and by “just a reader” I’m naturally referring to a Herculean effort to make a simple, beautiful app that’s cross-platform capable and which a noob can navigate without having to actually understand the fediverse.
I may be just a pie-in-the-sky optimist but I think the duplicate communities thing will die down eventually. Natural selection will do it’s thing and we’ll all eventually settle in specific communities on specific instances.
Based on the nature of life itself all living things become specialized over time. This includes creatures, jobs, products, communities, etc. So what’s likely to happen is some communities will die out or be abandoned while others will thrive and yet others will simply become more specialized.
Hypothetical example: /m/gifs on Kbin might become the place to find perfect loops and high quality/serious stuff while /m/gifs on some other instance might become the place for animated silliness.
I think so too, however we need some discoverability of these instances. At the very least we should be able to easily search for and subscribe to communities from different instances, and have some UI to easily navigate these.
I think “duplicated” communities is a problem even on a centralized service, to a lesser degree, since you can create a community with same intentions, but different names (e.g. c/video, c/videos). I’m also optimistic they will sort out with time
Agree, the fragmentation of communities is a stumbling block for adoption and for the coalescing of users to solidified groups that adopt identities and cultures. This is a huge advantage when looking at centralized systems like reddit. My hope is that there will be some version of natural selection but that it occurs sooner than later
One thing I’m worried about here with the duplicated communities though is the same thing that was happening on Reddit in the last couple years, new astroturfed communities popping up with a decided slant. Like how /r/economy came out of nowhere despite /r/economics being an existing huge subreddit, and /r/economy having a noticeable conservative bent. Lemmy doesn’t seem a ton more susceptible to it than Reddit was, but discovering new popular communities does seem to be very much a desired feature here.
I don’t think Beehaw has it figured out, but the idea of making signups more onerous definitely makes sense to limit bots, advertisers, and state actors.
I’m waiting for an account switcher like Sync has. You could log in to one, type a comment and before submitting choose one of your other logged in accts to comment from.
Pretty sure Jerboa on Android has the ability to add multiple accounts.
It does. But what I want is say I’m browsing using one account and I see a post. I’d like the option of commenting from one of my other signed in accounts without logging into it and navigating to the thread again
This is how sync works.
Been using sync for years and didn’t even know this was a feature 😂
I see, and understand the point you were making with your original comment now. It’s only a matter of time before we get other app alternatives that add these features. Maybe the Sync devs will be releasing a Lemmy client following the implementation of Reddit’s API changes.
Yes, it absolutely does.
It does, but as far as I can tell it doesn’t let you combine them into one feed.
You are suggesting we make the app better suited to astroturfing?
That’s going to come back to bite us.
What? No. Maybe I wasn’t clear with what I wrote. Can you explain what you mean and how you got that from my comment?
They may be thinking that you were suggesting a tool that would allow multiple accounts on a server (which would promote sock-puppeting). I assume that when you said “account” you meant “server” (with a single account).
Oof, inbuilt sock-puppeting support. Not a great look.
If someone really wants to do that then a lack of this feature isn’t going to stop them.
Yeah it’s so odd to me that your instance aggregates everything for you as opposed to the client doing it for you.
The instance doing it is what makes this work at scale. If there are 10 big instances where most of the content is generated, the traffic between them scales linearly with the number of posts.
If your client is doing the indexing, not only is this a lot of computations for a phone that runs on a battery, but the amount of traffic for each server scales with the global number of users, which is untenable for most servers.
If you really want to be immune to defederation (not quite literally, but in the ways that matter to you), your solution is to deploy your own home instance and federate with communities you browse. This is the client that will be doing the indexing. Of course you can get individually defederated but if you’re not a nuisance I can’t see why.
I’m attempting to set up a self hosted instance so that I can control who I’m Federated with or not. Probably will just keep it open though, and I’d have to be a real asshole to get my instance defederated anywhere lmao.
Blacklisting is not the only problem. Some instances will white list and you won’t be able to see them.
Can you do us all a favor and blog about your experience setting this up and running it somewhere? I’ll follow you 👍
I was thinking about making my own Federated kbin-like server (writing the code from scratch) as an academic exercise. I’m a full stack developer and it’s the perfect thing to hone my non-embedded (full
std) Rust skills and freshen my JavaScript skills.I have several side projects going on at the moment (that I’ve been working on constantly for almost three years straight) and I need a mental break from that. I’d love to learn what’s a pain in the ass VS what’s good from a semi-layman’s perspective so I can make something better.
Hall-effect fediverse client when?
@Lemmyin I just want that Infinity for Reddit get Lemmy and Kbin added to it.
By far the best Reddit client. I really love the gesture navigation on it.
There’s no other app close to it.I was looking at jerboa and it called Lemmy a “federated” alternative to Reddit. What does federated mean in this context?
There is no central Lemmy servers. Everyone can run a Lemmy server, which is called an instance. The instances talk together and sync posts and comments between them.
The admin of an instance (usually the owner of the server) is in total control of what goes and what does not on the instance, and which other instances to federate (sync) with.
When you create a community, you choose an instance that the community lives on. The community is then in the hands of the admin of that instance and the mods assigned by the admin to that community.
For me it was Relay. Absolutely perfect in every way, and the gesture navigation was so intuitive. Currently using jerboa for Lemmy and excited to see where it goes or what other apps become available for it
I was looking the jerboa page and it called Lemmy a “federated” alternative to Reddit. What does federated mean in this context?
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