So, essentially removing the single most important advantage of marine transportation (hyper-cheap global transportation due to tricking physics with large-scale ships) is nothing? May I remind you that 1 (one) container ship stuck in a Suez canal four years ago threatened to cause a global economic outage? Without extreme economic efficiency of large ships, the modern economy as we know it is about to collapse. This is not an exaggeration. You simply cannot maintain this level of trade and exchange with smaller ships, as most things will be prohibitively expensive to deliver over the long range.
Our ships aren’t infinitely large
Indeed, because, again, structural integrity and the requirement to pass through things like Suez and Panama canals. Overall, however, the bigger the ship - the better. And you cannot build any rowboat that would even remotely, on the same order of magnitude, match the efficiency of container ships.
We’ve never really found a way to make sails work for ships that size
You’re writing this under an article about sail-powered vessel able to deliver 5300 tons of cargo.
No idea what you’re trying to say with this part
Rowers would need to be seated on the sides of the ship, or need paddle systems (probably rotationary) large enough to have many rowers drive the same shaft. Either way, you’re very limited in how much rowers you can put in there, and the wider the ship - the more you’ll see it’s simply not an option. Modern container ships are way wider than it makes sense to put rowers to.
What I should do to make it so all ships are electrified with pure renewables within 24 hours.
Absolutely nothing can be done to achieve this - and it’s equally impossible to turn every vessel into a rowboat in this time. What’s the point? We have industry and technology to turn vessels into either, so why choose the inferior option?
I’m glad you have no explanation for how to make this one happen
Huh? Nuclear-powered vessels are traversing this route for many decades already, particularly the icebreakers, but really all sorts of crafts, even mobile nuclear power plants. And they have good track record as far as reliability and environmental impacts are concerned. Nuclear power is inferior to renewables in terms of ecological footprint, but stays way ahead of diesel and other chemical fuels. And in many applications, particularly in very remote areas with few ports and complicated navigation, they are the only sensible option anyway.
Are you trying to tell me there’s something wrong with me for thinking “big” is a fair enough word for the biggest rowboats…?
Yes, absolutely. The biggest rowboats are not big enough to even remotely match modern container ships, and this translates in a loss of efficiency - a very big one.
What?
In the realm of shipbuilding, larger ships are more energy efficient per unit of cargo volume/weight. Aside from that, hosting a crew large enough to propel the ship would carve out a lot of space otherwise used for cargo. Finally, rowing a ship is a very tough but also unnecessary job, i.e. something people struggle with for no good reason.
You make it seem like it’s either oil or rowing, or that we can turn any ship into a rowboat overnight. In fact, turning a container ship into a rowboat would require a much more complex and expensive rebuilding than installing an electric powertrain. There’s really no merit to your idea at all, or at least I didn’t hear a single one good argument for it - not because I don’t care to listen, but because, with all my attention put into it, I see nothing but odd fantasy completely detached from physics.
I don’t think it’s worth it to keep this discussion in any capacity or on any platform. If anyone here bans you (which I doubt anyone will, unless you end up nagging everyone), it’s not because you’re a visionary beinging truth to stupid people. It’s because it is you wasting people’s time without reading a single physics book to have your grand ideas easily disproven, allowing you to move on to more productive choices.
With genuine hope that I didn’t waste a couple dozen of minutes on some aggravating AI bot, goodbye.
Besides, judging by your repeated claims that you’ll get banned here, I must assume you to be a Nazi or other kind of supremacist. If that’s the case, I strongly advise you to stock up on history and philosophy books before proceeding with physics. If it’s not so - it’s still your issue not reading it.
Not seeing a link here. Again, this platform has bans, making it an inappropriate place for you to rage bait me, and not a great place for me to read your replies after you’ve demonstrated your penchant for rage baiting.
So, essentially removing the single most important advantage of marine transportation (hyper-cheap global transportation due to tricking physics with large-scale ships) is nothing? May I remind you that 1 (one) container ship stuck in a Suez canal four years ago threatened to cause a global economic outage? Without extreme economic efficiency of large ships, the modern economy as we know it is about to collapse. This is not an exaggeration. You simply cannot maintain this level of trade and exchange with smaller ships, as most things will be prohibitively expensive to deliver over the long range.
Indeed, because, again, structural integrity and the requirement to pass through things like Suez and Panama canals. Overall, however, the bigger the ship - the better. And you cannot build any rowboat that would even remotely, on the same order of magnitude, match the efficiency of container ships.
You’re writing this under an article about sail-powered vessel able to deliver 5300 tons of cargo.
Rowers would need to be seated on the sides of the ship, or need paddle systems (probably rotationary) large enough to have many rowers drive the same shaft. Either way, you’re very limited in how much rowers you can put in there, and the wider the ship - the more you’ll see it’s simply not an option. Modern container ships are way wider than it makes sense to put rowers to.
Absolutely nothing can be done to achieve this - and it’s equally impossible to turn every vessel into a rowboat in this time. What’s the point? We have industry and technology to turn vessels into either, so why choose the inferior option?
Huh? Nuclear-powered vessels are traversing this route for many decades already, particularly the icebreakers, but really all sorts of crafts, even mobile nuclear power plants. And they have good track record as far as reliability and environmental impacts are concerned. Nuclear power is inferior to renewables in terms of ecological footprint, but stays way ahead of diesel and other chemical fuels. And in many applications, particularly in very remote areas with few ports and complicated navigation, they are the only sensible option anyway.
Yes, absolutely. The biggest rowboats are not big enough to even remotely match modern container ships, and this translates in a loss of efficiency - a very big one.
In the realm of shipbuilding, larger ships are more energy efficient per unit of cargo volume/weight. Aside from that, hosting a crew large enough to propel the ship would carve out a lot of space otherwise used for cargo. Finally, rowing a ship is a very tough but also unnecessary job, i.e. something people struggle with for no good reason.
You make it seem like it’s either oil or rowing, or that we can turn any ship into a rowboat overnight. In fact, turning a container ship into a rowboat would require a much more complex and expensive rebuilding than installing an electric powertrain. There’s really no merit to your idea at all, or at least I didn’t hear a single one good argument for it - not because I don’t care to listen, but because, with all my attention put into it, I see nothing but odd fantasy completely detached from physics.
I don’t think it’s worth it to keep this discussion in any capacity or on any platform. If anyone here bans you (which I doubt anyone will, unless you end up nagging everyone), it’s not because you’re a visionary beinging truth to stupid people. It’s because it is you wasting people’s time without reading a single physics book to have your grand ideas easily disproven, allowing you to move on to more productive choices.
With genuine hope that I didn’t waste a couple dozen of minutes on some aggravating AI bot, goodbye.
I already called you out for rage baiting me on a platform with bans.
Do you have a link to the nostr copy of this reply, or did you expect me to read all that here?
Your ignorance would be you missing out, not me.
Besides, judging by your repeated claims that you’ll get banned here, I must assume you to be a Nazi or other kind of supremacist. If that’s the case, I strongly advise you to stock up on history and philosophy books before proceeding with physics. If it’s not so - it’s still your issue not reading it.
Cheers!
Not seeing a link here. Again, this platform has bans, making it an inappropriate place for you to rage bait me, and not a great place for me to read your replies after you’ve demonstrated your penchant for rage baiting.