im confused, its specs are amazing and on paper is more powerful than the meta quest 3, but its mainly being advertised as a streaming headset that goes from your vr spec pc (that is becoming more and more expensive these days for people).
so can it play games natively on the headset or not? i want to get it for my birthday as i see it as a worthy sucessor to my quest 2 that is amazing, but its controllers are drifiting to an unrepairable degree.
imagine no mans sky on it :0
yeah i expected that. i expect just like the steam deck, companies will optimize their game to be “Steam Frame Verified” or something like that.
Very likely! Honestly, if the price is able to be as good as the Deck and not the Index, I can see a lot of people adopting VR.
teh quest 2 sold 20 mill units (most of the 20 12 year olds yes) but still! maybe the frame can sell 25 mil
The Quest also has the caveat of being tied to Meta, and people like me will never buy one because of that.
And that caveat also comes with a discount, I heard Quest sells for less than it costs to produce.
I never wanted to get Quest even if the price was good, I hope I will be able to get the Frame soon 🥲
It’s not truly a discount either, it’s a subsidy. That cost is recouped by the aggregation and sale of your data, which is far more valuable to Meta than a single product sale.
yeah and that pisses me off. well not the people not buying the hardware but the developers. i would LOVE to play Hotdogs And handgrenades but untill i get the frame i cant as the devs of that game has clearly said “we will not be porting our game to any meta owned platform”.
It shouldn’t piss you off. You should be cheering for that behavior, and it would be wonderful if every dev was that brave.
The reason the Quest is relatively affordable is because you are the product. Meta is harvesting your data for free, and the cost is partially subsidized by the sale of your data. Continuing to support the Metas, the Googles, the Xitters, etc. does not ultimately benefit anyone but the wealthy.
I get that it can be frustrating to lose out on some fun, but I think not buying their products is a worthy sacrifice to make for the good of us all.
i dont care about all that data stuff. i just want the game to be on quest. for the quest 2 they had the excuse of “ohhh its not powerfull enough” but they could 100% do it with the quest 3 im sure
Multibillionaires certainly seem to, though. That fact alone should concern you.
Privacy should be your fundamental right, not something you have to demand from those who command or can buy influence and power (e.g. billionaires, politicians). What you buy, what you play, who you talk to is what fuels a nearly trillion dollar industry, and you don’t get a dime of that, nor do you get much of a say in how that data gets used; if you’re a citizen of the EU, the GDPR offers some protection, but it is being undermined all the time.
To say that you don’t care about your privacy is like saying you don’t care about politics. Maybe you truly don’t care, but it’s going to affect and influence your life anyway, and not caring only helps the rich and powerful—to the detriment of us all.
First they came for my email address, and I did not speak out because I had nothing to hide. Then they came for my phone number, and I did not speak out because I had nothing to hide. Then they came for my precise location at all times, and I did not speak out because I had nothing to hide. Then they came for me and had evidence that I emailed a nearby business a month ago, called a nearby business last week and location data said I was nearby at the time of the crime and there was no data left to speak for me.
The crime in question: buying from their competitors
They’ve already confirmed exactly that, but if you have a Steam Deck you know those “verifications” are completely useless.
As someone with a deck, who has complained about games that were verified when they probably shouldn’t have been, I wouldn’t say useless, it’s certainly flawed, and irritating that it’s not better, but it’s not useless
Agree to disagree, I suppose. That was my experience. And looking at Proton DB the experience of many others as well.
I made a purchasing choice yesterday based on the verification status. Triggering me to look closer and see what issues there were.
Well if it makes you feel better, I don’t even look at it anymore because pretty much everything just works. To the extent that in the off chance it doesn’t work I will just refund it.
Thanks, I feel a lot better now
That’s okay, we’ll just have to have a crowdsourced FrameDB (or maybe it will be added onto ProtonDB).
Exactly. That website is going to have their hands full with all the new Valve hardware haha.
thats actually a great point 😆 . the difference with vr is that the games have to have a good frame rate, as unlike on the deck, you will get sick because of the fps.