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  • Wrong. Paying debts allows banks to lend money to companies they would never consider worth the risk. If they did not think the gov was to scared to help.

    No truly private company making the choices Thames Water etc al have done. Would have been lent the money they were.

    Debt was given by private banks where other companies artificially upping share price while failing to maintain assets. Would be told to fuck off. The banks depended on gov refusing to let the shareholders suffer. And profited from it.

    As such those debts value should be the same as any other bankrupt corperation. The assets were never theirs but placed in trust with them as management contractors. That did not manage. And turned to the gov for funding for any expansion. So they had no assets to secure the debt. We should not be supporting stupid banks again.


  • Fair outcome.

    Allow them to go bankrupt with absolutely no help from gov.

    Use Millarory stand pipes like in 76 to distribute water to everyone while they vanish as a company.

    Then build a new nationalised water system rapidly repairing all assets. Using military to manage and offering well paid work to any unemployed (many of who will be ex water employees) willing and able to take on the job.

    Then have government site and stare manically at electrical and gas companies. Asking. " So how do you guys plan to get prices below the world average?"


  • Sorry but rubbish.

    Civil service cuts had nothing to do with paying doctors. The 2 events were years apart in announment.

    And austerity was very much a government choice. One you are welcome to agree with. But it being the only option was an out right lie. And it funded huge cuts in corperation taxes etc. Not the NHS.

    As for above inflation. Only if you totally ignore 14 years of no or below inflation pay rises. Is it in anyway possible to say the last one was above the recent yearly inflation.



  • Honestly. The gov should force any case to be in UK courts.

    Trump and his lawyers have no hope of using judges who owe him their position.

    Add to that the UK is (correctly) famouse for having extream liable protections, so most would see it as advantages. It is also very much a fact that truth is a defence, so the fact that multiple US courts etc have supported the claims.

    Adding. There is no way trump can stand up in a UK court and fail to commit perjury. He is just incapable. And will piss judges off no end.



  • One or multiple examples where it did not happen. Is in no way an argument against 1000s of years of history, where it has. And a rather stupid argument.

    It is illegal to consider the way an asylum seeker enters a nation. As a limitation on there right to claim asylum. That is also part of the Geneva convention.

    It is there to stop the right wing actions of multiple Tory govs who intentionally limited access to the UK. In an attempt to end claims. Why did the convention do this after WW2. Because nations supporting Germany attempted the same crap when people ran from nations attacked by the fascists there.

    The right wing gov trying to stop the boats is the illegal action. Not the boats.



  • You are inventing divisions where non existent.

    For starters there is absolutely no law or history where war refugees are required to settle in the first safe nation. Much the opposite the Geneva convention makes it illegal to use access or distance to limit the movement of refugees. This is specifically their as forcing nations nearest a war zone to accept refugees would increase the odds of the war spreading into their borders.

    As for the difference between EU and refugees. Given the whole Brexit history that is an utterly dumb complaint. It has absolutely no marit in this debate as the flag was specifically used to argue against all type of immigration in recent times.


  • This is a good question.

    It changed because the statement people hung the flag for decades is entirely recent history. Anyone over 50 knows it is not the case,

    It is true of the union jack. Although since Victorian times not hugely so and often seen as tacky. But the St Georges flag dropped from use before the 1980s.

    The reason is pretty clear. From about the mid 1800 most major English political parties have been unionist. It is a part of the Tory party name. But all 3 major parties and most smaller parties in England have been unionist.

    We have no major England separation party. Whereas the other 3 nations all have such parties. Calls for England as an independent nation. Have never had a majority or even significant following.

    As such the flag of England dropped out of use in the mid 1800s. As the main parties were successfully pushing the Union Jack as the main flag for England. In an attempt to diminish the separation parties of other nations. And no vocal group in the nation of England was opposing the lose.

    As such when the National Front. Then BNP etc etc started to use the St Georges flag as a call to remove all non white from the UK. Opposition was very much directed at the ideals. Not the use of a flag few felt a link to.

    Even now. Few have any real link to England as a separate nation. Just no real opposition to the flag any more then a link to it. It is seen by the vaste majority. More as the harm created by multiple negative party affiliations. Then as some national symbol of the English.



  • Exactly what I said. Oppose the use of the flag as a intent to scare immigrants.

    While making reasoned and rational arguments for and against different immigration policies.

    Of course the above is as unbiased as it can be.

    But as someone with more left of centre ideals.

    It’s not complex. As a nation we have always depended on immigration. Angle Celts and Jutes immigrated to this nation before the flooding of dogger bank some 12k years ago. Much as in the rest of the world. Excluding the plains of Kenya. No human is entirely native to any one nation. Mixing of cultures and people has always advantages the human race.

    But the right wing is very much being intentional in their use of other to distract the people. It is a key goal of fasism.

    The rights use of the flag as an element of fear. Is both intentional and a long known core element of fascist ideology.( Ultra nationalism and the selectionof a enemy class. ). intended to control opposition to the elite.

    Absolutely nothing the right claim as an issue to the UK is the fault or responsibility of immigration.

    While all the issues that drive people to accept such claims. Are the result of intentional reductions in rights and equality lead by 50 plus years of right of centre governments.

    As bad as godwins law can be. Their is a reason so many of the rights actions match 1930 Germany.