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  • Tinidril@midwest.socialtoMemes@lemmy.mlNoam Chomsky
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    8 days ago

    Modern Israel was founded in 1948. Before that it was “British Palestine”. If you really want to push it back it time, you might as well go back to the 17th century BC, but that would also be rather silly.

    You no guys are a waste of my time. I’m done. Later.


  • Tinidril@midwest.socialtoMemes@lemmy.mlNoam Chomsky
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    9 days ago

    The Holocaust industry only took off after the 70s and mostly because intense Israeli lobbying efforts.

    What the fuck? Where do you think Israel as a Jewish ethno-state came from? Nobody gave a shit about Jews and the Holocaust, yet the western world decided out of nowhere to create a new state for Jews right after the Holocaust?

    There is no such thing as the “current Israeli government”. Israel is a Jewish supremacist ethnostate

    Yes, it is, and the current government is the worst possible instantiation of that. An Israel that wasn’t continuing to colonize new Palestinian land and wasn’t committing a Palestinian genocide would still be a Jewish supremacist ethno-state. Even so, it’s entirely within Israel’s power to reform an egalitarian government with equal rights for everyone - not that I’m expecting it. That’s three different models of Israel that are all entirely possible, so yeah, the current government is a thing that matters.

    Israeli citizens are, as a group, pretty damn fascist. However, Jews outside of Israel are largely against the settlements and the genocide. Those Jews have to deal with the stain of the Zionist enterprise.

    The entire industrial revolution was powered by slavery. Your logic makes no sense.

    The entire industrial revolution? Uh, nope. Would the industrial revolution have happened without slavery? Yeah, I think it would have. Economically, slavery wasn’t as efficient or “necessary” as the South claimed. Cotton farming or other slavery dominated industries didn’t suddenly cease when slavery ended, (or technically was curtailed in most cases).


  • Tinidril@midwest.socialtoMemes@lemmy.mlNoam Chomsky
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    9 days ago

    Zionism is awesome for Jews.

    After WW2 Jews essentially had a cultural golden ticket. They could have perpetually ridden the wave of being treated as the world’s most victimized group forever. There was almost nothing worse a person could be than an anti-semite or Holocaust denier. Zionism broke that spell, and “anti-semite” has become a bad joke.

    80%+ of Jews worldwide support Israel

    Support Israel how though? 80% certainly don’t support the current government, or the settlements. Also, look how many Americans support(ed) Trump. Does that mean Trump is “awesome” for Americans, or even for his supporters?

    Slavery … directly benefitted them.

    I disagree. There were certainly material benefits but, ultimately, I don’t think anyone is better off because of slavery. America still is unable to reconcile with it’s own history, and that has had some pretty obvious consequences for everyone.





  • I see you have your cut and paste propaganda all ready to go there.

    The people in Crimea and the Donbas wanted to join Russia, to protect them from Ukraine,

    Sounds an awful lot like claiming Iraqis wanted the US to overthrow Sadam and would welcome it with open arms. It worked out about the same too, except for the Russian military embarrassing themselves. Even taken at face value, all you are doing is justifying the imperialism, not showing it doesn’t exist.

    China is the biggest debt holder nation in the world. Zambia just had to default on loans for infrastructure that largely served Chinese needs, and Kenya and Ethiopia are not far behind. Meanwhile, the DRC is falling into debt paying for infrastructure to ship Copper and Cobalt to Chinese. China has not been as abusive as the west was, but they aren’t that much better either. It’s still the same tactics.

    New Labor Forum: Chinese Investments in Africa: Twenty-First Century Colonialism?


  • Russia isn’t imperialist, it has no colonies nor neocolonies

    Yeah, tell that to Crimea, the Donbas, or even Siberia or the puppet states like Belarus, Georgia and Moldova. Russian neo-colonialism is all over Africa.

    China isn’t imperialist either, it’s a socialist country wituout any financial domination of the state or economy.

    China is a kinder imperialist, but they are using largely the same playbook that the west used in Africa, including debt-trap diplomacy, undermining local sovereignty and regulation, and undermining labor movements.

    They also have a mix of socialism and capitalism, sometimes getting the best of both, and sometimes the worst. They definitely dominate the state economy through control of banking and the use of capital controls to direct funding to national priorities. The current real estate crisis and “ghost cities” are a pretty obvious example.








  • Tinidril@midwest.socialtoMemes@lemmy.mlVoTe BluE
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    2 months ago

    That’s the part where I’m sympathetic to your argument. I think anyone not voting for Harris made a mistake. I also think the arguments people like you made for people to vote for Harris were really really bad and that you are enabling the Democrats to continue down a terrible path of failure.


  • Tinidril@midwest.socialtoMemes@lemmy.mlVoTe BluE
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    2 months ago

    I’m sympathetic to your argument, but ultimately they absolutely are fascist. If you doubt me, then to ask a Palestinian. There is very little that the Trump regime is doing that the Democrats weren’t doing less obnoxiously and on a much slower timescale.

    We can’t keep accepting the lesser evil indefinitely. When you brush off the serious issues in the Democratic party with language like “no saints” you make it look like that’s exactly what you intend for the country to do. I mean “politicians will be politicians”. That’s not convincing anymore.