Because they were trying to topple the entire system, not voice disapproval or change policies.
There’s no peaceful way to do that without a level of coordinated effort that we will NEVER get from groups of humans. To say nothing of the fact that even after the revolution, you have to share space with the people and sympathizers of those ousted, so sending a message of severe, popular consequence for regression is almost a necessity for lasting change.
Also, the “no violence” thing has a LOT to do with what the mobilizing group is trying to accomplish.
Changing policies and ousting leadership that isn’t performing? Hell yeah, peaceful marches and protests all the way.
Want to remove a hostile and oppressive militarized regime? That shit is NEVER pretty, and turns even the best of people into monsters by necessity.
100%, all of that.
I once owned and raised exotic reptiles, I remember being told “Take precautions in your terrariums, if there’s a way they can harm themselves, no matter how remote, they WILL find a way to maim or kill themselves with anything you put in there.”
I realized over time that this rule applies to all of us.
I am just astonished the concept of blanket safety rules is getting pushback on the same website where people routinely show gifs and clips of people suffering freak accidents at worksites.
Then there are landscapers working in a garden pulling weeds even if there are no trees for miles. What’s going to happen?
As someone who used to be an operations manager for several work-crews, I fully understand why you would just make a fucking blanket-rule. Because the more people you put on a work crew, the more obvious and stupid risks they will take. It was a daily struggle to get people to wear glove and eye protection using hammers, and the times that I didn’t enforce it as a “do it or get sent home” rule, can you guess what happened?
No really, we were on first-name basis with people at the urgent-care center my company worked out a deal with.
Sure the day that they’re raking the yard there’s no chance of someone suffering a head-injury. Until one of them is loading the wheelbarrow back on the truck and didn’t bother lowering the lift-gate because they chose to load their buckets and tools first and didn’t want shit to fall out of the back of the truck, then the goddamn wheelbarrow falls and lands on Martinez’s head and now he needs stitches and X-rays and is off the team for a week and we have another worker’s comp claim and everyone’s paycheck suffers for it.
We wouldn’t need PPE rules and a thousand other safety regulations if people were always smart, alert and watching for hazards. They’re not. They’re incredibly dumb. Everyone is. So we need blanket-rules.
I am genuinely confused how you think your stories about internal revolutions has anything to do with the idea of “international law” being a thing or not. If you want to go do a revolution, just go do a revolution, it’s very adjacent to the point being discussed here.
Go along now slugger, go! get! shoo!
There are some dense, odd people on lemmy as well as any other online platform.
I experimented a few times with throwaway accounts and yeah, they’re locking or shadowbanning people just for engaging with politics or social issues. They don’t want humans influencing these topics, they want people to read what the bots are saying without distraction.
Not saying literally everyone there is a bot, but they’re slowly doing a bot-creep.
Which makes it incredibly dangerous. Opium has destroyed empires.
This is just one of the commercial products too, the companies that have their own in-house tech development departments have their own proprietary systems for just creating an entire realm of content at the touch of a button.
Want to reveal some new development to a story that didn’t exist before today? Use your content bots to manufacture a bunch of blogs and journalist tweets and news websites that look exactly like they were made 10 years ago, with links that go to supporting sources. (which you also manufactured with a few keystrokes.)
The internet isn’t just dead, it’s a shambling corpse raised to feed off the living, animated by its undead lich overlords.
Amazingly it appears like a pro left wing website. That is some wonderful camouflage.
This should be making everyone with half a brain freak out right now, even though I know nobody is going to pay attention until it’s too late.
But that website, reddit, is probably the last remaining public spaces that reflects the actual attitudes of the majority of people. (Boring lib shit, but hey better than than facebook or twitter.) So when we’re learning that this site is being hijacked by bots and corporations trying to subtly take over and replace the users so they can “adjust” the nature of popular sentiment, it’s a giant blaring air-horn of alarm that we’re about to see a massive manufactured-consent engine come to life.
People as individuals are amazing creatures, as individuals you can talk to people and make them learn and get them curious.
As a population? As a group? Worthless troglodytes, unevolved pond-scum, slime, oozing shit that seeks the lowest level. This is why we need to have a lot of concern over platforms that purportedly depict average people having average conversations, because as a population, people look to their peers for cues and when everyone is taking cues from a single, artificial entity made to look like millions of real people, we need to start pouring water on some servers somewhere.
Using a VPN to log into reddit can get your account shadowbanned instantly. Just an FYI to those browsing.
What’s worse is it’s infectious. If you log into your main account on a VPN, get shadowbanned and change accounts without clearing your history, changing IP and deleting all your cookies, your next account will also get immediately shadowbanned.
If you argue about politics, shadowban. If you make too many reports, shadowban. If you do anything on reddit that isn’t the most milquetoast, bot-like comments on media and celebrities, you will likely get banned or shadowbanned.
The place is overrun with very convincing AI bots that even go as far as criticizing reddit to look convincing, but a large portion of users aren’t even real anymore, maybe as high as half in some communities by my reckoning.
They don’t want human users anymore. They announced a few years ago they were using reddit as a “test bed” for new AI models, they want a site that millions of people visit every day that looks like a social media site where users can communicate, but they want to be able to control what everyone is saying and discussing with a control panel to influence public sentiment with ease, and it’s already working to fantastic effect.
Edit: most normal, commercial internet users can reset their dynamic IP address simply by unplugging your router for a minute. Also, if you try to register a reddit account with a “throwaway” email, or even many major domains like yahoo or msn, it can start you out shadowbanned permanently. They are looking for any excuse to silence users so their bots can control the popular narrative.
I find it charming when people cite “international law” as if it’s really a thing.
Our species is really stuck on the idea that “somebody will do something” and it’s just a matter of evidence or a strong enough case.
Sorry, nobody is coming, international law exists only as a wink and a nod between players who want to get something out of each other.
How is my take bad? I didn’t say don’t own what you like, I said people around you become irrational. That’s factual, not a take. You can choose to react any way you want to it.
No faster way to make otherwise normal-seeming people go full-on rabies-mode is to make a public statement about a kind of music you don’t like.
It’s wild how people take that as a personal attack. In every instance, in a public space, if you type out distaste in a music genre someone is going to lose all reason and restraint and come at you swinging fucking viking axes.
I don’t like music in major-key but make an exception for Bad Moon Rising by Creedence Clearwater Revival, who specifically talked about how he made the juxtaposition between upbeat music and lyrics about the apocalypse and doom a deliberate choice and made one of the all-time classic songs.
What the fuck are you talking about and who are you talking to
He’s acting like Light Yagami from Death Note, not Picard.
Oh in this regard, I blame internet counter-culture not being taken seriously enough in the early 2000’s, those times that we thought all these “ironic nazis” were a fad that would wash out like so many times before, this scene is where people found each other and started creating online movements out of the general, passing angst that everyone feels now and then. Depressed teens finding each other did more to kill Picard than any other media.
When Somethingawful purged their low-effort users and those users went and formed 4-chan that led directly to much of our current cultural norms, it seems to many like a footnote in internet history, but that led to the formation of several fetid fandoms and subcultures that went on to get signal-boosts from foreign powers looking for every opportunity to play both sides of our nation’s potential stress-points. And they did this to great effect, this is where we saw jokes and memes turn into political movements.
I don’t know if we could have done anything at the time, maybe if hosts of popular forums and boards and social media were not paid off immediately by Russian bot farms to let them rampage around, maybe if government stepped in early and nipped this interference and passed some kind of legislation against hate-speech on the internet, maybe we could have saved Picard.
As Gen X, I think I’ve seen all these cycles over and over again, media makes ostensible “role models” that people pattern themselves after, then the pattern changes suddenly as it does and leaves a generation stuck without direction as new role models take the stage and make all the previous adopters resentful of society.
It’s part of the “nothing ever happens” generation desperate to have a narrative to follow. If they’re going to feel disengaged and disconnected from how complicated politics has become in an increasingly complicated world… WELL MIGHT AS WELL DUMB THIS SHIT BACK DOWN, OOHRAH WWE WRESTLEMANIA YEAH BROTHA ACTION
Most of that I put on our ineffectual Democratic leadership who are supposed to represent the people. We had a mandate of millions and I don’t remember a single, actual dramatic effort to reshape policy by our elected leaders.
At that time, many people still believed Democrats were actually the opposition group to conservative fascism, and not the checked-out wine-mom getting alimony checks every month from the right.