So your comments had nothing to do with the topic I was talking about, yet you expect me to engage with every detail of your offtopic comments, I see.

If you are interested: Gelderloos argues in Worshiping Power (worth a read and you find it on theanarchistlibrary.org) that decentralized guerrilla tactics are very good at defending, while being bad at conquering. If this would be enough to withstand between two imperial powers is very doubtful. I never said that anarchist movements in the broader sense are stronger, I would say tho they are worth fighting for. But you are aware that the Soviet Union doesn’t exist anymore either, right? And other Bolshevik adjacent movements were crushed by the USA. The line of argument you are using against anarchism can be used by liberals against Marxism Leninism. If you want to join the winning team, it isn’t any kind of socialism.

don’t put those words in my mouth.

Well, I would read less into your comment if it was clearer. I explained the concept of prefiguration with Rojava as an example and you brought up that they have the same interests as the USA. So what is the implication or relevance here? Are you saying they wouldn’t have made it without the USA, that the USA helped them build the structures before the revolution or during or after? Or that it’s a USA backed coup? Which is it? You can’t write obscure comments and whine for being misunderstood.

Would you say the same about the Zapatistas? Or the Makhnovshchina. They fought against the Bolsheviks so in your black white thinking, they are evil, right? But back to West Asia: the common interest they share with the USA is to fight the IS or Islamism in general. The USA supported islamists when they fought against communists. Isn’t this “the enemy of my enemy is my friend” logic that made the US support Islamists until they didn’t and now Rojava got a little support but that doesn’t mean any ideological alignment as you seemed to imply.

Also, it’s not a state but I don’t expect tankies to get that.

What is your understanding of what a state is? Because correct me if I’m wrong, I don’t live in the US, but ICE and police in general is funded by tax money, right?

What tankies and anarchists will agree on is that liberal states, like the US, work in the interest in the ruling class which is capitalists. It’s always about the rich, always has been.

What anarchists want isn’t the abolition of the state – period – but the abolition of all hierarchies, including capitalism and private firms (and obviously all states, including Bolshevik ones). Anarcho capitalism is an oxymoron.

I didn’t expect otherwise but thanks for your empathy

Sorry, I was overgeneralizating. I wasn’t talking about Marxist Leninists or Marxists in general or all tankies but I encounter this attitude OP shows far too often. People read Engels’s On Authority and think they know stuff which is frustrating.

We ALREADY live in a do nothing state, where private and foreign interests just YOLO across us with no state to advocate for us.

This is wrong. We have a strong police force. Take squatting for example. The anarchist view would be, if you don’t use a house in any form, it isn’t yours anymore and someone else can take it. The neoliberal police state will force you out of it. The state enforces private and foreign interests. You can’t tell me that ICE is a sign of a do nothing state to take another example.

Take Rojava as an example: they built a system of councils that didn’t yield any real power until their day came (2011 if I’m not mistaken) and after the revolution, there was no power vacuum but this decentralized system took over. Same idea is anarcho syndicalism: they do union work now but are ready to run the factory/company when the opportunity is there.

Build a stateless, hierarchy-critical, egalitarian society that rivals the hegemony of states

I know this is a tankie instance so I didn’t downvote but I’m surprised again and again how ignorant tankies are about the concept of prefiguration or “unity of means and ends” or “building the new in the shell of the old” or what ever you want to call it. It’s not about the state vanishing over night but about building a dual power that will fight the authority of the state. It’s the same type of people who say anarchists can’t read that have no idea about actual anarchist theory. Do better. Leave this strawman behind. It never was true and didn’t age well.

You have not proven that there are people “fighting back” against the CPC

And I specifically said I’m not going to. I’m not going to spend energy to research a point just to give y’all the opportunity to reject my sources anyway. I know what to expect from an online discussion and what not and this is an agree to disagree situation. I see now how it can be read as racist which I didn’t get before and that’s more than I expected from this.

Oh, don’t worry. I usually stay away from .ml and I’m reminded about why that is. This time I wanted to know something and it makes a little more sense than before so thanks to everyone included in this conversation

Thanks

Can confirm

Let’s just face the fact that we are too far away to convince each other. If you don’t belief that censorship is real and people fight back, none of my sources would ever convince you. I came here to understand, not to convince or be convinced

You can’t just throw an emoji on people popular on your instance and expect people to understand the reference is what I’m saying. I mean, I know citations are in brackets and I even know the podcast but I still didn’t make the connection

This at least makes sense. I never encountered it so I’m still not convinced. Can you link some?

Also, this gives me “critiquing Israel is antisemitism” vibes. Might be a false tho. I think it’s important to question all power and all states and I would never be offended when someone mocks my head of state (who does not only look like Burns but resembles him in other ways too)

If you want to be treated with respect, don’t use ingroup language with outsiders

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