• Tb0n3@sh.itjust.works
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    2 years ago

    Nazis were a political movement and party in WW2 Germany. The people who hate black people and Jews these days do not align at all with that party. There’s actual terms like Neonazi which is rare as well, or White Supremacist. The problem with using Nazi to define anybody currently is that in most online spaces a Nazi is not somebody who wants to exterminate the Jews and create a white world, but somebody you just disagree with and think is mean.

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      Oh I’m sorry, does it hurt the feelings of neonazis and white supremacists if I call them Nazis? Thank goodness someone told me. I’ll be sure to keep calling them Nazis from now on

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        It hurts the power of labeling something as Nazis when it’s just somebody you don’t like.

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      I will never tire of people who do not grasp the field of linguists trying to be pedantic about words.

      Words mean what people use them to mean. Most people use Nazi to refer to both 1930s German National Socialists and modern day white supremacists. Therefore, that’s what it means. English is not a dead language like Latin, so stop trying to treat it like one with regards to this one word. It just makes you look like a Nazi.

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        And pro-Trump Republicans are neither of those things. There may be some white supremacists in their club but by no means is it a requirement. All I see from them is delusions and shitposting.

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          The entire republican party is currently lockstep saying all trans folk are trying to corrupt, if not molest, children. They’re promising national legislation to oppress and punish them if they win. Before them, it was Mexicans and Muslims. They always have a group of “others” to scapegoat, and given enough time and power they always eventually act on it.

          “Never again” means we’re supposed to recognize and stop this behavior before it can harm anybody, not wait until it’s too late as we disingenuously quibble over definitions.

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      Bah… you can argue semantics all day long, I have no qualm calling these alt-right fucks nazis. Just look at the dumpsterfire that voat.co became. Nazis comes close enough to describe that.

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        I can tell you TheDonald didn’t like it either. That’s why they left. The free speech absolutist policies meant they got called out all the time and they couldn’t handle it.

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      So when men march wearing black balaclava and waving actual nazi flags, calling themselves nazis and intimidating vulnerable minorities with violence, you don’t call them Nazis? Really?

      Edit: This is neither hypothetical nor a unique occurrence

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        More likely neo-Nazis than actual Nazis if not pure edge lords. I think the best way to refer to them is untermensch because the actual Nazis would have seen them as lesser which I find hilarious and should insult them thoroughly. They deserve mockery and derision.