• TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world
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    A police force has agreed to remove all Pride rainbows and transgender livery from its vehicles following a landmark High Court ruling.

    Northumbria Police has also told its officers and staff they cannot attend a Gay Pride march in uniform this weekend, in a move that could set a precedent for other forces.

    Northumbria was taken to court by a gender-critical lesbian who said it was wrong for officers to take part in events that promoted gender ideology.

    The move comes after Linzi Smith, 34, a gender-critical lesbian from Newcastle, brought a case against Northumbria Constabulary, arguing that it had been wrong to allow uniformed officers to actively participate in an event that promoted gender ideology and was supported by transgender activists.

    In his ruling, the judge, Mr Justice Linden, said it was important that police forces were not perceived as taking sides in contentious social debates.

    Ffs. Police officers want to support a gay pride event, and a Lesbian woman became so offended by that she raised a court case against them. One that I cannot believe was upheld.

    And as for the judge saying police attending means they’re “choosing sides”… fucking hell. It’s a Pride event. The “sides” are the LGBT community and those that hate them. It is an offence under the Equality Act 2010 to discriminate against LGBT people, so the police very much should be on one side, and they broadly were.

    What the hell was this judge thinking? Why are TERFs so emboldened here?

    Imagine telling someone this a few decades ago:

    “Yeah the police want to support a LGBT pride event and…”

    “Wait they what? They want to support it? Not shut it down?”

    “…yeah, support and attend. Anyway the court ruled against it.”

    “Lobbying and moral panic from anti-LGBT clergymen, I suppose?”

    “Nah, a small group of lesbians.”

    You can’t make this shit up. Imagine hating trans people so much that you’re willing to turn against the whole LGBT Pride movement, while being in a same sex relationship. The mind reels.

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        What are you babbling about?

        Pride is about capitalism. Nothing more.

        WAH! I’m LGBT, you have to do as I say else you’re discriminating against me and that’s like, illegal and stuff, and I’ll use the police as my personal army against you to get revenge.

        Is everything okay at home?

        There’s the projection. This has nothing to do with trans people. Twisting unrelated actions to be another thing is typical of schizophrenia and/or psychosis.

        Slice of life from inside the glass house apparently. Put the stone down please.

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      The “sides” are the LGBT community and those that hate them.

      This is wrong. The person who took Northumbria Police to court was a lesbian and hence a member of the LGBT community. It doesn’t make sense for the “sides” to include the LGBT community.

      You’re conflating the gender supporting (as oppose to gender critical) community and the LGBT community.

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        You’ll never guess what the ‘T’ in LGBT stands for…

        This person is absolutely standing against the LGBT community. She is actively seeking to drive a wedge between LGBT communities and the police, making the entire community less safe in the process, as well as trying to divide people in regards to LGBT issues.

        She will happily cut off her nose to spite her face, if it means harming trans people.

        And being part of a community doesn’t make you immune from being against the community. There’s plenty of anti-immigration immigrants, there’s homophobic/transphobic/biphobic people in the LGBT community, there were people from colonies who saw their own colonies as barbaric and welcomed white masters, there were Jews in Germany who hated Jews and happily supported Nazis, there are working class people who are disdainful of working class culture.

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          You’ll never guess what the ‘T’ in LGBT stands for…

          You’ll never guess what the ‘L’ in LGBT stands for…

          She is actively seeking to drive a wedge between LGBT communities and the police

          I don’t see how you can come to that conclusion given the article. You seem to be jumping to conclusions.

          as well as trying to divide people in regards to LGBT issues

          Again, I don’t see how you can come to that conclusion about her goals. The fact that she simply has a different opinion to others doesn’t imply a goal of dividing people. Dividing people may be a conseqeunce of her actions but that doesn’t imply it’s her goal.

          She will happily cut off her nose to spite her face, if it means harming trans people.

          Again, this is jumping to conclusions.

          And being part of a community doesn’t make you immune from being against the community. … there’s homophobic/transphobic/biphobic people in the LGBT community

          True but that doesn’t mean any particular person who is critical of one section of the community is necessarily against the whole community, that doesn’t follow.

          there were Jews in Germany who hated Jews and happily supported Nazis

          Firstly wow that took no time at all https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin’s_law

          Secondly, this is a false equivalence. Every example you’ve given is of a member of a community being against the whole community but in the case we’re discussing, a member of a community is critical of only part of the community, not the whole community. And critically, it’s a part of the community that they’re not a member of.

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            You’ll never guess what the ‘L’ in LGBT stands for…

            It stands for Lesbian. What is your point?

            I’m not the one going against the LGBT community, she is.

            I don’t see how you can come to that conclusion given the article.

            Did you read it?

            Again, I don’t see how you can come to that conclusion about her goals.

            ??? She doesn’t think Trans people, a part of the LGBT community, exist.

            Again, this is jumping to conclusions.

            It really isn’t.

            True but that doesn’t mean any particular person who is critical of one section of the community is necessarily against the whole community, that doesn’t follow.

            It absolutely follows. If you are against Trans people, you are against LGBT.

            Firstly wow that took no time at all https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin’s_law

            I’m well aware of what Godwin’s law is. What’s your point, exactly? It’s relevant.

            Do you deny that there were Jews in Germany who hated the Jewish community? Yes or no?

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              Did you read it?

              Yes. Did you?

              She doesn’t think Trans people, a part of the LGBT community, exist.

              The article makes no mention of whether she views trans people as existing. Again, you’re jumping to conclusions. And to be frank, you’re being ridiculous.

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              Do you deny that there were Jews in Germany who hated the Jewish community? Yes or no?

              Do you deny you’re behaving like a psychotic moron?.

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            “You’ll never guess what the ‘L’ in LGBT stands for…”

            Hate to burst your bubble but Lesbians are actually more supportive of transgender people than any other cisgender demographic.

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              Hate to burst your bubble but Lesbians are actually more supportive of transgender people than any other cisgender demographic.

              Hate to burst your bubble but homophobes are actually more supportive of transgender people than any other cisgender demographic.

              I too can make up pretend facts.

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        I don’t understand why this is downvoted so much. This is the correct response.

        Oh noes, here’s an opinion that my psychiatrist wouldn’t say to my face, therefore it should be downvoted.