Isn’t capitalist London the most surveilled city in the world?
@Bronstein_Tardigrade@lemmygrad.ml @bubblybubbles@lemmy.ml It may have the most cameras per square mile, but the US has absolutely nill data protection laws (that actually work in any meaningful way), so they end up having “better surveillance” because they put the data together to spy on you better.
Luckily, I live in neither.
Doubt.
Mass surveillance is disliked by all.
Making it a political post is low effort.
I think you are giving the “I have nothing to hide” crowd too much credit
TikTok bad because Chinese spyware. Anyway brb time to check my Gmail inbox.
Everybody willingly carries a recording device with sound video and GPS tracking in their pockets at all time. Worrying about any kind of surveillance is pointless if you dont leave your ph9ne at home every day.
Worrying about any kind of surveillance is pointless if you dont leave your ph9ne at home every day.
It’s not quite as simple as that. The overall point has truth, but one can still use a phone and reduce surveillance, especially if you’re just trying to avoid surveillance capitalism or police surveillance at certain times (e.g. protests). Privacy isn’t binary. Security isn’t binary.
You need to be banned for make me see the face of this piece of shit.
Cockroach-man.
Ewww kill it with fire.
CHINA BAD AND USA BAD! They both fucking suck! But hey, keep defending the ‘communist’ survailence state that is one of the largest exporters in the global market. I am sure the workers feel like they own the profits.
Given that the CPC is overwhelmingly popular with the people of China in a way our own government could never imagine being here at home, i bet they do.
A handy chart:
The PRC is leaps and bounds better than the US, and it isn’t close. Further, socialism isn’t when “no exports,” lol.
161·10 hours agoSocialism is when poor.
-Gang of Four
Also something about western Marxism and Christianity
Spot-on! The only socialism acceptable to the standard western viewpoint is a vow of poverty and self-sacrifice.
If China is comminist then why hasn’t it been overthrown by the CIA? Chechmate tankie
Can we be honest and acknowledge the fact that if you’re doing socialism or communism correctly, your exports are going to be severely lower than capitalist shitholes like China and the USA? A system that values the workers is not going to have as much force behind it economically as a system that just uses as many laborers as possible as wage slaves. So China having a large export implies that they are not actually doing communism in any real way. Any claims that china is actually communist and it supports it’s peoples wellbeing is literally an American left wing conspiracy theory.
If you’re doing communism correctly, you lift millions out of poverty while standing strong against the empire
Can you be honest and acknowledge the fact that you don’t seem to know what socialism or communism are? Communism is when low production? What Hearts of Iron mod convinced you of that, and how can we get you reading something real instead?
The Soviet Union starts out with few factories and a very shitty rail network in Road to 56 (I don’t play vanilla hoi4), you literally have to fix it for them. smh stupid tankies didn’t even fix their rail network (/s)
Socialism is when nobody does any work
I prefer the country that hasn’t invaded anyone in 50 years over the country that’s launched an invasion every 18 months
This is puritanism brain worms. Your position is that socialism done correctly is subsistence living. What a terrible vision.
Any claims that china is actually communist and it supports it’s peoples wellbeing is literally an American left wing conspiracy theory.
Chinese people that like their government are part of an American left wing conspiracy I guess
You’re a clown. Talk to people that live there instead of other USians
No, we can’t, because that’s an absurd premise.
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Socialism is a mode of production. It isn’t when you import more than you export, or vice-versa. In the PRC, the large firms and key industries are publicly owned, while medium and small firms have diverse forms of ownership like private, cooperative, and joint-stock. It’s in the primary stage of socialism.
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The idea that the PRC isn’t socialist is a “left” wing fallacy among Statesians. In the PRC, socialist countries like Cuba and Vietnam, and among major communist orgs, the PRC’s status as a developing socialist country is not in question.
You haven’t made any arguments as to why China is capitalist, just that it exports, but in reality it is import driven economies that are the most capitalist, and that isn’t even a rule, just a generalization.
https://www.ie.edu/insights/articles/is-china-a-communist-country/
Though you’ll probably deny this article as valid because it harms your perception of China being a Communist state, and usually people do not like they’re conspiracy theories to be challenged by actual fact.
Additionally, besides the argument of whether it’s communist or not, it is not a good country and if that’s what communism looks like, then I actually want no part in communism. They have no ability for free speech or even protests. Say what you want about it’s economics, but that is not how humans should be forced to live.
They have no ability for free speech or even protests.
Dawg what.
Literally the reason the government ended the covid lockdowns, despite that being the correct course of action that saved shitloads of lives, is because people got tired of it and protested, and the government listened.
Meanwhile here in the states, every protest I’ve ever been part of has been stomped down by riot cops and had it’s demands ignored.
Say what you want about it’s economics, but that is not how humans should be forced to live.
I’m sure they’re all crying and cursing their doubled lifespans
Please Xi, my people yearn to be forced to live like that
That’s an opinion piece by a non-Marxist that makes the incredibly basic error of confusing the developing stage of socialism with the characteristics of the advanced stage of communism. You’re incredibly arrogant for someone who clearly has done very little reading of Marx.
I’ve written frequently on the PRC’s model of socialism, such as this summary from a few days ago, including resources for further reading. You can even shortcut to my Read Theory, Darn it! introductory Marxist-Leninist reading list, though it’s getting some revisions.
The people of China have freedom of speech, capitalists and businesses do not. The people of China do not protest often, because the system works:
It’s time for you to turn off Fox News.
“Theory is a leftist conspiracy!” - @basiclemmon98@lemmy.dbzer0.com probably
Those damn commies and all the books we read, lol
I will admit, I have not read the source theory, but I engage often with communists (most of my immidiate sphere are communists) enough to get a lot of it (I am actually an Anarcho-Communist, just to note). But my problem, as always, with a lot of you people who are obsessed with trying to use China as an example of communism, is the fact that theory and practice are two very different things. Very few places if any even follow your own theory from what I have gleaned from other comrades.
It is also really easy to pressure people to give the answers you want to for those kind of questions if you are an authoritarian state. Also from the cyber security sector, most citizens of China desperately try and get their hands on vpns or use tor in order to be able to actually access the external world, which is never a good sign and does not scream “We’re free!” to me.
Also fox news is abhorant, as is all American backed official news outlets. I use lemmy, did you really think that I watch state provided news? Or was that an ad hominim because people here dislike Fox specifically?
I will admit, I have not read the source theory
Trust me, we knew.
Marxist-Leninist theory and practice are united in the PRC. As you admit, you have not read much theory, and are commiting the same error as the person you linked: a non-Marxist judging a socialist state in the primary stage by the characteristics applicable to an advanced communist society. I linked you some good starting points so you can correct these misunderstandings, but if you are going to continue to insist on being right about theory you admitted you haven’t even read, then there isn’t much room for constructive discussion.
As for the dismissal of consistent hard data on the grounds that Chinese citizens are “pressured,” this data is from western orgs surveying Chinese citizens, unaffiliated with the CPC. Western orgs have been trying to understand CPC resilliance because they wish to undermine it, and as such have been trying to best understand why the CPC is beloved. Spoiler: it’s socialism.
The Fox News bit was a tongue-in-cheek jab referencing the fact that you are repeating right-wing talking points about the PRC near-identical to mainstream media. I apologize for the jab, but I consider it fair after you opened with jabs and condescension yourself.
A bit on the “stages of socialism” I referenced, a table from Cheng Enfu:
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