My question aims to know what kind of procedures did the Chinese government (allegedly) take since 2014 in Xinjiang, and why to begin with. And what can we know about the region in the current time, like can a random tourist go and see with their own eyes the truth, and maybe film it ?
There are Youtube videos and a Wikipedia page documenting human rights infringements, while China and the Marxist forums deny anything harmful. Now that almost nobody is bringing it up, I want to know what was legitimately documented. Investigating the origins and later developments of the case on my own would be so hard.
There was a really good BBC documentary on this 6 years ago which takes a look in one of the facilities from both and official visit and visiting unannounced. Also using satellite footage to demonstrate changes made prior to journalist visits…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmId2ZP3h0c
High recommend watching it.
Man… China really handles these things in eerie ways, watching this feels like reading “20th century boys” (manga). I can see why the Chinese would think this is merciful, but personally it only convinces me even further that Uyghur deserve their own nation. Situation doesn’t seem as bad as India, but this response is like how they deal with aliens or something.
This is a propaganda video where most of the “erie” parys are just video editing and commentary, not demonstrated through evidence or interviews. It is a good example for developing your own media criticism skills. I’ll make note of one outright falsehood and invite you to critically analyze the video further.
They lied when they said those attending didn’t go home. They literally show them arriving and going home on buses multiple times. Rather than note their own inconsistency in narrative, they try to characterize this as erie and scary as well. Oh people line up to get on buses! Follow that bus! Oh it just goes to a “government facility” and they leave to do whatever they want to afterwards? What government facility? They say they are “processed” first. Where is the evidence of this? All they show is people leaving while the bus they were on is stopped.
The BBC has a history of pushing this kind of bad faith propaganda. They even do things like get down into ditches to make “scary” angles for boring things and desaturate the videos like it’s reality TV and you need to emotionally manipulated to know what the bad things are.
The problem is not with the editing. The problem is that men and women dancing and singing together in happiness is literally just appealing to westerners, being of similar culture to Uyghurs I’d only be part of this practice as a humiliation ritual. If they knew what “harmony” looks like to Muslims, the atmosphere would have been at least similar to Taliban’s propaganda videos, where women have their own space where they have their own practices and taught by a fellow woman, or they appear in videos with their scarf.
Another thing that went passive but is really huge is when the guy at 00:32 was asked how often he prays and he answered with the playbook “China’s laws define schools as public places. And in public places religious activities are not allowed”. Anyone familiar with Muslims knows that they pray 5 times a day as obligation, like at the very least 200 million Muslims keep this defining practice, the guy being made to answer like this is straight up persecution for his religion,
and it shows the Chinese officials don’t even know what they’re dealing with, they’re like “yeah it’s another religion where they have a day of practices every week”.
The worst part is that the officials basically admitted that they took these people based on predictions ? Like even if we ignore the ethical dilemma, you want me to believe that statistics&probability predicts which person will commit crime with ? That’s like a book example of bad math imo.
Uyghurs traditionally do both coed and segregated dancing depending on the event, the locale, the families, etc. Trying to shoehorn them based on your claims about your aculture is a form of tokenization, projection, and even islamophobia, given how you characterize this as universally muslim, whereas islamic practice is actually rich with cultural variety over geography and time.
Perhaps you should recognize your own ignorance in this matter. Are you here asking questions about people in a large and populous region with which you are unfamiliar, or are you here to lecture others about it? Does your culture promote speaking authoritatively about things you do not understand, to the detriment of others?
Suddenly you are familiar with “the playbook”? How long have you known this “playbook”?
But really, you started by saying it is not editing, but at 00:32 there is literally a jump cut between question and answer, with an entirely different camera angle for the presented answer. Do you know what was said before and after, or is 5 seconds of selective BBC editing enough? What has given you this confidence?
If you listen to the answers and not the narrator, you wipl find they sound exactly like progressives in the West trying to use preventative approaches and actually describe rehabikitating people who have committed minor crimes. Like the one literally says they want to rehabilitate those who commit minor crimes. You have come away with the impression that it is some claim about Minority Report-esque precog crimes because the narrator told you this, but not the the interviewees.
This is actually a fairly rosy picture. As I have already explained, social networks also led to people being required to attend these facilities. It is true that radicalizatikn is more frequent within social networks, it is literally a method used by all competent organizers to grow their impact. That does not mean it is good or right for a state to use this to coerce or punish (though they are not prisons), of course. But one must have perspective. What did the US and its friends do to muslim-majority nations after 9/11? Surely building skills and competency is a much less bad thing to coerce than death and disposession.