If indicators or labels are used to rank Certified Bad Countries at the bottom (read: US State Department stamped list of countries tha the US is threatened by) and white countries at the top, then surely something somewhere has gone amiss, no?
Literally all of these rankings are created by Western imperial countries, whose economies are held up by robbing the freedoms of the Global South, that continue to uphold one of their many sacred democratic rituals of suppressing Pro-Palestinian liberation protests, and then some.
That article no longer exists, for one, secondly, aljezeera is quite biased when it comes to certain topics, notably palestine, thirdly, I see plaestine flags in every goddamn french protest, and multiple political parties and news sites are pro-palestine.
It’s odd I don’t see a chinese political party or news site denouncing the treatment of the uyghurs or defending the hong kong activists.
What do you mean by “the article no longer exists”? What is an unbiased news outlet? What is an unbiased view of Palestine? What is the response of the Fr*nch state to “every goddamn french protest”? Which political parties and news sites in Fr*nce are Pro Palestine and why might that be deemed a problem? What is the “treatment of Uyghurs” that is denouncable and what are the Hong Kong activists doing that need to be defended? And defending against who?
What do you mean by “the article no longer exists”?
I get a 404 on that link, might be a me issue though.
What is an unbiased news outlet? What is an unbiased view of Palestine?
What I meant to say was that site gives qatar’s views on everything, and have a vested interest in making it look like the west is completely unable to recognize gaza and such
What is the response of the Frnch state to “every goddamn french protest”?
It is permitted, and the right to strike is strongly protected, unlike in china. Under the current administration the gendarmerie often, to put it bluntly, sends tear gas to scatter certain protestors, which is bad, but nobody is arrested unless they commit an actual crime, such as setting a car on fire.
Which political parties and news sites in Frnce are Pro Palestine and why might that be deemed a problem?
I don’t see why you think i think it’s a problem, but off the top of my head la france insoumise is a party that loudly supports palestine in the assemblee nationale, and liberation.fr and lemonde are news sites that are pro-palestine.
What is the “treatment of Uyghurs” that is denouncable
Forced labour, concentration camps and mass sterilization maybe?
Hong Kong activists doing that need to be defended?
They were protesting the erosion of Hong Kongs relative sovereignty within china, and were violently beaten down by police with batons, water guns and tear gas, journalists were forced to include more anti-protester viewpoints and press freedom was further limited following the incident. This is in Hong Kong btw, which ranks higher on free press indexes than china proper.
Something that made the news in the west was china pressuring blizzard to ban a player who spoke out in support of the protestors from their tournaments.
And defending against who?
The government.
And why are you lib?
Someone can be both anti-china and not a liberal. I am notably not a fan of dictatorships and imperialism, even if it’s branded as socialist.
oh, somehow it’s georestricted? dafuq… Anyways better links/sources are available in the other reply.
What I meant to say was that site gives qatar’s views on everything, and have a vested interest in making it look like the west is completely unable to recognize gaza and such
But the Western nations, who engineered the settler-colony currently occupying Palestine, is incapable of recognizing Palestine. All the recent news about the West recognizing Palestine aren’t actually in any way meaningful when A) they’ve propped up and maintained the settler-colony for decades and continue to do so, while also recognizing the Euroanglo-Zionazi settler-colony that they themselves manufactured and B) the recognition itself is under the condition that Hamas is dissolved or anything to that effect.
No research, no right to speak.
Tell us exactly where Al Jazeera is wrong, tell us exactly what an unbiased news outlet is like and what an unbiased view of Palestine is supposed to be. No research, no right to speak.
nobody is arrested unless they commit an actual crime [in Fr*\nce]
I don’t know how you claim to see Pro Palestine protests and activism but don’t even know half the shit that the Fr*\nch state carries out under the banner of “protecting democracy”, and also somehow have the guts to claim China doesn’t have the conception of Right to Protest. No research, no right to speak.
liberation.fr and lemonde are news sites that are pro-palestine
These “news sites” use the terms “war on Gaza” and “Israel-Hamas War/Conflict” to pretend as if it’s a playing-level field of two equally matching opposing militaries and to downplay genocide. They are also owned by bougies whose shared material interest is keeping the settler-colony alive. No research, no right to speak.
Citations needed on the Hong Kong stuff. Championing universalizing ideals of “both the West and China are equally imperialistic and bad” is a reaction so meek, so infantile, that it doesn’t actually ideologically and materially go against Western hegemony or imperialism. Therefore, by also considering the other things you’ve opined, it makes you a lib.
Okay aljezeera, and many other middle-eastern news outlets, like to depict the west as worse than it is for the same reason western news outlets do the oppisite.
The condition of Hamas being dissolved is reasonable.
Anyways, for the first source: Being arrested following a statement that can reasonably be considered a threat of violence is normal.
Second: That wasn’t the crime he was arrested for, and his sentence was cut short, should he have been arrested for so long? Probably not. But saying his only crime was “resisting occupation” is laughable.
Third: Not arrested, just police misconduct, still awful, but I never said there wasn’t any. Also that’s a public protest, not a strike, very different.
I know that that stuff happened. It’s still cherry-picked to be the worst stuff. China is still by far the most opressive regime.
There are strongly anticapitalist parties in france, strangely there isn’t an opposition of any sort in china.
The terms those news site use are accurate, both sides are armed and fighting, they don’t pretend it’s not a genocide.
Also the idea that it doesn’t matter how much stuff china does just because the west is sooo bad is laughable, if my opinion makes me a lib, yours makes you a nutcase.
Research doesn’t involve saying nuh uh to facts you don’t like. Anyways, I know you’re gonna dismiss my comment because I didn’t source anything, but frankly I don’t have the time rn, and it won’t change your mind anyways.
I’ll finish on this question: At least for me, this exchange is hosted in the west, do you think we could have the opposite discussion (i.e: defending isreal, you saying the west is amazing and better than china) on a chinese social media platform (in china)?
citation needed
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Any of them indexes would certainly have France higher than China
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_freedom_indices
If indicators or labels are used to rank Certified Bad Countries at the bottom (read: US State Department stamped list of countries tha the US is threatened by) and white countries at the top, then surely something somewhere has gone amiss, no?
Literally all of these rankings are created by Western imperial countries, whose economies are held up by robbing the freedoms of the Global South, that continue to uphold one of their many sacred democratic rituals of suppressing Pro-Palestinian liberation protests, and then some.
That article no longer exists, for one, secondly, aljezeera is quite biased when it comes to certain topics, notably palestine, thirdly, I see plaestine flags in every goddamn french protest, and multiple political parties and news sites are pro-palestine.
It’s odd I don’t see a chinese political party or news site denouncing the treatment of the uyghurs or defending the hong kong activists.
Like come on.
What do you mean by “the article no longer exists”? What is an unbiased news outlet? What is an unbiased view of Palestine? What is the response of the Fr*nch state to “every goddamn french protest”? Which political parties and news sites in Fr*nce are Pro Palestine and why might that be deemed a problem? What is the “treatment of Uyghurs” that is denouncable and what are the Hong Kong activists doing that need to be defended? And defending against who?
And why are you lib?
I get a 404 on that link, might be a me issue though.
What I meant to say was that site gives qatar’s views on everything, and have a vested interest in making it look like the west is completely unable to recognize gaza and such
It is permitted, and the right to strike is strongly protected, unlike in china. Under the current administration the gendarmerie often, to put it bluntly, sends tear gas to scatter certain protestors, which is bad, but nobody is arrested unless they commit an actual crime, such as setting a car on fire.
I don’t see why you think i think it’s a problem, but off the top of my head la france insoumise is a party that loudly supports palestine in the assemblee nationale, and liberation.fr and lemonde are news sites that are pro-palestine.
Forced labour, concentration camps and mass sterilization maybe?
They were protesting the erosion of Hong Kongs relative sovereignty within china, and were violently beaten down by police with batons, water guns and tear gas, journalists were forced to include more anti-protester viewpoints and press freedom was further limited following the incident. This is in Hong Kong btw, which ranks higher on free press indexes than china proper. Something that made the news in the west was china pressuring blizzard to ban a player who spoke out in support of the protestors from their tournaments.
The government.
Someone can be both anti-china and not a liberal. I am notably not a fan of dictatorships and imperialism, even if it’s branded as socialist.
oh, somehow it’s georestricted? dafuq… Anyways better links/sources are available in the other reply.
But the Western nations, who engineered the settler-colony currently occupying Palestine, is incapable of recognizing Palestine. All the recent news about the West recognizing Palestine aren’t actually in any way meaningful when A) they’ve propped up and maintained the settler-colony for decades and continue to do so, while also recognizing the Euroanglo-Zionazi settler-colony that they themselves manufactured and B) the recognition itself is under the condition that Hamas is dissolved or anything to that effect.
No research, no right to speak.
Tell us exactly where Al Jazeera is wrong, tell us exactly what an unbiased news outlet is like and what an unbiased view of Palestine is supposed to be. No research, no right to speak.
Is using the word “intifida” a criminal act and therefore should be followed up with an arrest?
Is it a crime to resist occupation and settler-colonialism that is also worthy of being locked up for 40 years?
Should students be dragged on the ground by police on their way to the car for the crime of invoking their “strongly-protected right to strike”?
I don’t know how you claim to see Pro Palestine protests and activism but don’t even know half the shit that the Fr*\nch state carries out under the banner of “protecting democracy”, and also somehow have the guts to claim China doesn’t have the conception of Right to Protest. No research, no right to speak.
These “news sites” use the terms “war on Gaza” and “Israel-Hamas War/Conflict” to pretend as if it’s a playing-level field of two equally matching opposing militaries and to downplay genocide. They are also owned by bougies whose shared material interest is keeping the settler-colony alive. No research, no right to speak.
Citations needed on the Hong Kong stuff. Championing universalizing ideals of “both the West and China are equally imperialistic and bad” is a reaction so meek, so infantile, that it doesn’t actually ideologically and materially go against Western hegemony or imperialism. Therefore, by also considering the other things you’ve opined, it makes you a lib.
No research, no right to speak.
Okay aljezeera, and many other middle-eastern news outlets, like to depict the west as worse than it is for the same reason western news outlets do the oppisite.
The condition of Hamas being dissolved is reasonable.
Anyways, for the first source: Being arrested following a statement that can reasonably be considered a threat of violence is normal.
Second: That wasn’t the crime he was arrested for, and his sentence was cut short, should he have been arrested for so long? Probably not. But saying his only crime was “resisting occupation” is laughable.
Third: Not arrested, just police misconduct, still awful, but I never said there wasn’t any. Also that’s a public protest, not a strike, very different.
I know that that stuff happened. It’s still cherry-picked to be the worst stuff. China is still by far the most opressive regime.
There are strongly anticapitalist parties in france, strangely there isn’t an opposition of any sort in china.
The terms those news site use are accurate, both sides are armed and fighting, they don’t pretend it’s not a genocide.
Also the idea that it doesn’t matter how much stuff china does just because the west is sooo bad is laughable, if my opinion makes me a lib, yours makes you a nutcase.
Research doesn’t involve saying nuh uh to facts you don’t like. Anyways, I know you’re gonna dismiss my comment because I didn’t source anything, but frankly I don’t have the time rn, and it won’t change your mind anyways.
I’ll finish on this question: At least for me, this exchange is hosted in the west, do you think we could have the opposite discussion (i.e: defending isreal, you saying the west is amazing and better than china) on a chinese social media platform (in china)?