I’m no fan of the way democracy/capitalism is currently practiced but I’ve also never seen a successful communist country, are people just fascinated by the theory of communism, if it can’t work in practice then how is it better than democracy / capitalism, we need a system that can defend against the worst of us, not some ideal system that only functions when everyone in it is expected to also be a good person, cause that’s never gonna happen
Socialism/communism are democratic, and have been so historically and presebtly.
Socialism and communism don’t care if everyone is a “good person.” I don’t know how you came to that conclusion.
Communist parties over socialist economies, like in the USSR, PRC, Cuba, Vietnam, etc have all been dramatically successful in uplifting the lives of the working classes and democtatizing the economy. Communists support communism and socialism because of the effectiveness of these systems.
Is USAmerica(worlds largest superpower) a successful capitalist country?
Is slavery and Eps stuff a success?
Success would need to be defined then, right?
And your notions on everyone having to be perfect seem to be wrong. The main basis of Communism is who owns the means of production and the level of development. The minority of the ultrawealthy in capitalism vs the majority of the regular people in communism.
Also, general planning vs capitalist planning that focuses on profit and externalises social cost.
And if you want to go deeper into critiques of capitalism and why we need to plan beyond that, I think you lookup aspects like the crisis of overproduction and the tendency of the falling rate of orofit.
Others here maybe better able to explain more on that.
Listen man, just look into the histories of countries that have had communist revolutions, look at what changed after, and look at why they failed. Often times they improved the lives of the working class, and then were destroyed by capitalist interests. There’s outliers like Cambodias Khmer Rouge and Romanias Chowchesku (I’m not going to even try spelling his name correctly) but you have to remember that history and context matter, and that communism is still just an ideology that has differing effects based on execution and the external forces putting pressure on these countries. It was called the Cold War, not the Cold Everybody Try Shit and we will see what works. Capitalist interests had already been deeply entrenched in world economics and power before communism began to take any meaningful positions of power during the Industrial Revolution, and all of these contexts, interests, and events matter.
Is that why they cheer on authoritarian/dictatorial communism… we just need one good man/woman/AI in power, and all our problems will be solved. Then they dust off their hands after their thought triggers a tiny dopamine response (thereby confirming its truth), and they feel inspired to post another meme or to downvote a few people silly enough to engage with them by calling them libs or billionaires. 🤣
We probably shouldn’t feed them (and most definitely not after midnight…)
Communists here cheer on socialist countries and communist parties partially because they’ve made massive strides in democratizing their economies, bringing it under the people’s control. No socialist system in history has been so lopsided as to hinge entirely on one person, there are obviously leaders in socialist countries but they don’t have the kind of omnipotence nor omnipresence your comment implies.
I engaged early on on Lemmy.ml out of curiosity. There is definitely interesting theory and history, and some genuinely learned folks lurking. Unfortunately, that is rarely what we get to see.
I’m no fan of the way democracy/capitalism is currently practiced but I’ve also never seen a successful communist country, are people just fascinated by the theory of communism, if it can’t work in practice then how is it better than democracy / capitalism, we need a system that can defend against the worst of us, not some ideal system that only functions when everyone in it is expected to also be a good person, cause that’s never gonna happen
A few things, here:
Communist theory does work in practice.
Socialism/communism are democratic, and have been so historically and presebtly.
Socialism and communism don’t care if everyone is a “good person.” I don’t know how you came to that conclusion.
Communist parties over socialist economies, like in the USSR, PRC, Cuba, Vietnam, etc have all been dramatically successful in uplifting the lives of the working classes and democtatizing the economy. Communists support communism and socialism because of the effectiveness of these systems.
Is USAmerica(worlds largest superpower) a successful capitalist country?
Is slavery and Eps stuff a success?
Success would need to be defined then, right?
And your notions on everyone having to be perfect seem to be wrong. The main basis of Communism is who owns the means of production and the level of development. The minority of the ultrawealthy in capitalism vs the majority of the regular people in communism.
Also, general planning vs capitalist planning that focuses on profit and externalises social cost.
And if you want to go deeper into critiques of capitalism and why we need to plan beyond that, I think you lookup aspects like the crisis of overproduction and the tendency of the falling rate of orofit.
Others here maybe better able to explain more on that.
Communism DOES work and has worked in the past. As a species we survived through cooperation, not by competing and stepping on others
Today there are two types of capitalism
The Western one, detached from reality and built on the resources of weaker colonized countries
And the Global South one, where people endure the suffering created by that system
How many communist countries have you seen?
Probably not enough, care to share any countries I should look into
The PRC is a good place to start, considering it’s on track to becoming the world’s most developed country and advanced socialist state.
Listen man, just look into the histories of countries that have had communist revolutions, look at what changed after, and look at why they failed. Often times they improved the lives of the working class, and then were destroyed by capitalist interests. There’s outliers like Cambodias Khmer Rouge and Romanias Chowchesku (I’m not going to even try spelling his name correctly) but you have to remember that history and context matter, and that communism is still just an ideology that has differing effects based on execution and the external forces putting pressure on these countries. It was called the Cold War, not the Cold Everybody Try Shit and we will see what works. Capitalist interests had already been deeply entrenched in world economics and power before communism began to take any meaningful positions of power during the Industrial Revolution, and all of these contexts, interests, and events matter.
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Is that why they cheer on authoritarian/dictatorial communism… we just need one good man/woman/AI in power, and all our problems will be solved. Then they dust off their hands after their thought triggers a tiny dopamine response (thereby confirming its truth), and they feel inspired to post another meme or to downvote a few people silly enough to engage with them by calling them libs or billionaires. 🤣
We probably shouldn’t feed them (and most definitely not after midnight…)
Communists here cheer on socialist countries and communist parties partially because they’ve made massive strides in democratizing their economies, bringing it under the people’s control. No socialist system in history has been so lopsided as to hinge entirely on one person, there are obviously leaders in socialist countries but they don’t have the kind of omnipotence nor omnipresence your comment implies.
Some of the performative types def seem to be in it so they can call each other comrades and fell part of a niche in group
I engaged early on on Lemmy.ml out of curiosity. There is definitely interesting theory and history, and some genuinely learned folks lurking. Unfortunately, that is rarely what we get to see.