I do condemn it. I condemn the US for giving aid to militant jihadist terrorgroups in the Xinjiang province with the purpose of destabilising the region.
I condemn Adrian Zenz and all his ilk for his “divine anti-communist mission” and for pretending to be an expert on a country youve visited once and the language of which you dont speak.
I condemn all the redditors for their sophomoric approach to life where they pretend to be experts on a subject they’ve never investigated beyond the state department propaganda shoved in their face every day.
I condemn China for not being perfect in it’s administration of the anti-radicalisation programmes I guess.
Have you actually read the “report” about the “Uyghur genocide”? Have you read the “Xinjiang police files”? Or are you just so insulated in the western echo chamber you don’t even know of them?
I think it’s not great that there’s been some cases of abuse in China’s vocational facilities in Xinjiang, but that’s all that the evidence from Western NGOs actually substantiates. Not genocide, ethnic cleansing, organ harvesting, or whatever it is that you want critics of imperialism to condemn.
Let me ask you this: what would it actually mean materially for every communist in Europe and North America to condemn China? Do they have to send letters to their representatives asking them to put tariffs on China and exert diplomatic pressure on Beijing? Do they have to protest at their nearest Chinese embassy? Leftists in the West already live in countries that have anti-China foreign policies. We couldn’t make them more anti-China if we tried. So what’s your goal?
Why would I condemn something that didn’t happen? Previously:
You can’t bring us evidence because there isn’t any.
The US tried to foment division in China by funding and organizing Salafi terrorist into Xinjiang, and once its efforts failed, it made lemonade out of its lemon by concocting and promoting a genocide narrative.
The only countries pushing this narrative are the “always the same map” imperial core countries, which just so happen to be largely the same ones supporting Israel’s genocide.
#HRC51 | Draft resolution A/HRC/51/L.6 on holding a debate on the situation of human rights in the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region of #China, was REJECTED.
Isn’t it odd that the countries that enable genocide and wage war on Muslim countries killing hundreds of thousands in the past decades are somehow very concerned about the welfare of Muslims in China? Even Western-aligned Muslim countries have condemned invasions and war crimes by Western countries, even those with a Western military presence. But somehow they are afraid to condemn China?
So on the one hand we have clearly flawed accusations of genocide from a country with a long history of using such accusations to advance it’s own geopolitical goals, fabricated by people who are doing their best to kill Muslims all over the world, but they’re apparently extremely worried about this group for some reason.
On the other hand we have those dastardly conniving Asians who have the support of 72 filthy untrustworthy Muslim countries saying no genocide is occuring.
Oh and all the independent observators who have visited and reported no genocide is ongoing. Don’t believe them? Go for yourself! The region is free to travel.
Yeah real headscratcher. Both sides and so on. Can’t trust anyone.
Have you actually read the report?
It’s based on the account of 6 “anonymous” Uyghurs who were asked how many people were disappeared from their village. This number was then used to extrapolate to represent the entire Uyghur population.
It also argues that children not born, because women have access to contraceptives, are part of the genocide. This is weird because we apparently can’t trust what China says is going on in the region, but we can use their numbers for the region? Okie dokie. Also the Uyghurs were never under the one child policy, which strikes me as counter productive if you wanna genocide a group.
You ever met a Uyghur person? The ones I know have issues with what their people went through in the late-2010s but they’re most definitely still very alive and Uyghur.
He linked you a UN vote where almost all the majority Muslim countries, save for Somalia, voted no or abstained on starting a debate about China’s treatment of the Uyghurs. That’s not China speaking.
Is it not? Surely we don’t have to sit here and pretend that United Nation votes aren’t extremely political. Maybe if we were school children playing model UN we might think that but we should all know better right? We know that geopolitics and trade relations usually define UN resolutions more than actual truth does. It’s one of the major faults of the United Nations.
You’re right, those filthy stupid brown people just don’t know what’s good for them. They’re only voting like that because China forces them to, otherwise they would definitely agree with the US who demonstrably cares about the well-being of Muslims.
What do you mean racism? I’m just following your lead. Can’t trust those heathens to have opinions of their own. It’s really our burden to make sure they make the right decisions.
Edit: sorry, was I not supposed to say the quiet part of your post out loud?
There it is again. Wow you sure went to that really fucking fast. I was talking about trade relations and geopolitics. You jumped right to racism. Funny that. Just on the tip of your tongue I guess…
Ok, so Poland seems to recognize it and is not in the “core”…
Turkey seems to recognize it and is not in the “core” …
Taiwan seems to recognize it and is not in the “core” …
Ukraine seems to recognize it and is not in the “core” … Ukraine actually said that after they did China threatened to limit trade and block scheduled delivery of 500,000 covid vaccine doses.
Czech Republic seems to recognize it and is not in the “core” …
Actually looking at the countries supporting and not supporting it looks like divide is more between democracies and dictatorships.
Mind you, Turkey “recognize” it because of the government’s Pan-Turanist and Pan-Islamist views, not because they actually care to investigate it. Also every Uighur “defector” any political party -which is almost always the reactionary or conservative ones- brings to speak is actually either a fundamentalist terrorist, or never went to Xinjiang in their lifetime.
Damn, I’d never even heard of Turanism, though I am a little familiar with the debunked 19th century linguistics.
Turanism, also known as Turanianism, pan-Turanism or pan-Turanianism, is a pan-nationalist political movement built around pseudoscientific claims of biological and linguistic connections between various ethnic groups of Eurasia. It revolves around the abandoned proposal of a Ural-Altaic language family, which hypothesizes that the Turkic, Mongolic, Tungusic, and Uralic peoples share Inner and Central Asian origins and therefore close cultural, ethnic, and linguistic bonds. Supporters of Turanism propose political unity among these groups, chiefly to oppose the cultural and political influences of the Indo-Europeans of Europe, West Asia, and South Asia, as well as the Sino-Tibetans of East Asia. The movement emerged in the 19th century to counter pan-nationalist ideologies such as pan-Germanism, and built upon the ideas of pan-Slavism (e.g. the idea of a “Turanian brotherhood and collaboration” was borrowed from the pan-Slavic concept of “Slavic brotherhood and collaboration”).
Why do you think post-Warsaw Pact states like Poland, the Czech Republic, and Ukraine fall in line with what the ruling classes of the richest countries want? Could it be that these countries became completely dominated by the Western IMF/NATO protection racket upon seceding? Could it be that there’s been a concerted effort since the beginning of the Cold War to create a class of liberal and fascist collaborators in these countries with the explicit purpose of defeating communism? Should it be surprising that they’re anticommunist as a result?
Taiwan is probably the most obvious one to choose if I wanted an example of a country (allegedly) with a vested interest in making up human rights violations against China.
And how can you call the side with the US in it democratic?
Ok, the goalposts turned and left us here. What do you want me to say? Looks like Poland, Taiwan, Czechia, Turkey, and Ukraine don’t like China, a phenomenon that I can’t offer an explanation for without being accused of moving the goalposts further.
If there’s something substantial to what you’re saying (hell you never even made a claim, the original comment in this chain wasn’t even specific about what he believed was or wasn’t true about Uyghurs) it’s on you to bring evidence to the table.
Those countries are in the core or the semi-periphery, depending on who you ask. They’re in the liminal space between the core and the periphery. They have “favored vassal” status, and won’t bite the hand that feeds them.
How about condemning that as well instead of defending it, because US did other heinous things?
I only condemn things that actually happened
Why don’t you apologize for beating your wife?
I do condemn it. I condemn the US for giving aid to militant jihadist terrorgroups in the Xinjiang province with the purpose of destabilising the region.
I condemn Adrian Zenz and all his ilk for his “divine anti-communist mission” and for pretending to be an expert on a country youve visited once and the language of which you dont speak.
I condemn all the redditors for their sophomoric approach to life where they pretend to be experts on a subject they’ve never investigated beyond the state department propaganda shoved in their face every day.
I condemn China for not being perfect in it’s administration of the anti-radicalisation programmes I guess.
Have you actually read the “report” about the “Uyghur genocide”? Have you read the “Xinjiang police files”? Or are you just so insulated in the western echo chamber you don’t even know of them?
Sorry, I trust the OIC and it is highly suspicious that the only concerned countries are both islamophobic and sinophobic with only a few exceptions.
You’re not supposed to trust OIC because they’re biased in favor of China. You’re supposed to trust the NATO bloc countries, they have no bias.
You also going to start demanding we condemn the “white genocide” in South Africa?
I think it’s not great that there’s been some cases of abuse in China’s vocational facilities in Xinjiang, but that’s all that the evidence from Western NGOs actually substantiates. Not genocide, ethnic cleansing, organ harvesting, or whatever it is that you want critics of imperialism to condemn.
Let me ask you this: what would it actually mean materially for every communist in Europe and North America to condemn China? Do they have to send letters to their representatives asking them to put tariffs on China and exert diplomatic pressure on Beijing? Do they have to protest at their nearest Chinese embassy? Leftists in the West already live in countries that have anti-China foreign policies. We couldn’t make them more anti-China if we tried. So what’s your goal?
Why would I condemn something that didn’t happen? Previously:
Says who? China?
Says the OIC.
Isn’t it odd that the countries that enable genocide and wage war on Muslim countries killing hundreds of thousands in the past decades are somehow very concerned about the welfare of Muslims in China? Even Western-aligned Muslim countries have condemned invasions and war crimes by Western countries, even those with a Western military presence. But somehow they are afraid to condemn China?
So on the one hand we have clearly flawed accusations of genocide from a country with a long history of using such accusations to advance it’s own geopolitical goals, fabricated by people who are doing their best to kill Muslims all over the world, but they’re apparently extremely worried about this group for some reason.
On the other hand we have those dastardly conniving Asians who have the support of 72 filthy untrustworthy Muslim countries saying no genocide is occuring.
Oh and all the independent observators who have visited and reported no genocide is ongoing. Don’t believe them? Go for yourself! The region is free to travel.
Yeah real headscratcher. Both sides and so on. Can’t trust anyone.
Have you actually read the report?
It’s based on the account of 6 “anonymous” Uyghurs who were asked how many people were disappeared from their village. This number was then used to extrapolate to represent the entire Uyghur population.
It also argues that children not born, because women have access to contraceptives, are part of the genocide. This is weird because we apparently can’t trust what China says is going on in the region, but we can use their numbers for the region? Okie dokie. Also the Uyghurs were never under the one child policy, which strikes me as counter productive if you wanna genocide a group.
Who says they’re being genocided? America?
You ever met a Uyghur person? The ones I know have issues with what their people went through in the late-2010s but they’re most definitely still very alive and Uyghur.
They clearly answered that in their post, you lazy chud
He linked you a UN vote where almost all the majority Muslim countries, save for Somalia, voted no or abstained on starting a debate about China’s treatment of the Uyghurs. That’s not China speaking.
Is it not? Surely we don’t have to sit here and pretend that United Nation votes aren’t extremely political. Maybe if we were school children playing model UN we might think that but we should all know better right? We know that geopolitics and trade relations usually define UN resolutions more than actual truth does. It’s one of the major faults of the United Nations.
You’re right, those filthy stupid brown people just don’t know what’s good for them. They’re only voting like that because China forces them to, otherwise they would definitely agree with the US who demonstrably cares about the well-being of Muslims.
Wow you sure went from 0 to scary racism really fast.
They’re mocking you; you and your rascism
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What do you mean racism? I’m just following your lead. Can’t trust those heathens to have opinions of their own. It’s really our burden to make sure they make the right decisions.
Edit: sorry, was I not supposed to say the quiet part of your post out loud?
How dare you, in the west you should be racist as long as you absolutely don’t say it at loud.
We wouldn’t want to openly shame our precious westerners who bring democracyTM to these uncultured savages, would we?
There it is again. Wow you sure went to that really fucking fast. I was talking about trade relations and geopolitics. You jumped right to racism. Funny that. Just on the tip of your tongue I guess…
Says everyone but the imperial core, which represents ~12% of the world:
The media that have lied about Palestine are the very same media who lied about Xinjiang.
📺 You’re Not immune To propaganda
aka places aliens are allowed to attack in Hollywood films
Ok, so Poland seems to recognize it and is not in the “core”…
Turkey seems to recognize it and is not in the “core” …
Taiwan seems to recognize it and is not in the “core” …
Ukraine seems to recognize it and is not in the “core” … Ukraine actually said that after they did China threatened to limit trade and block scheduled delivery of 500,000 covid vaccine doses.
Czech Republic seems to recognize it and is not in the “core” …
Actually looking at the countries supporting and not supporting it looks like divide is more between democracies and dictatorships.
Poland is literally on that map you illiterate fucking chud
Every country on earth is a dictatorship: either a dictatorship of the rich or a dictatorship of the proletariat
That’s a list of NATO states and American allies…
Might not be ‘core’ themselves but they’re unambiguously aligned with it.
Mind you, Turkey “recognize” it because of the government’s Pan-Turanist and Pan-Islamist views, not because they actually care to investigate it. Also every Uighur “defector” any political party -which is almost always the reactionary or conservative ones- brings to speak is actually either a fundamentalist terrorist, or never went to Xinjiang in their lifetime.
Source: I am Turkish.
Damn, I’d never even heard of Turanism, though I am a little familiar with the debunked 19th century linguistics.
Come to Turkey, it is very popular among our nationalists (about 60% of the population), because Atatürk said it is real.
Why do you think post-Warsaw Pact states like Poland, the Czech Republic, and Ukraine fall in line with what the ruling classes of the richest countries want? Could it be that these countries became completely dominated by the Western IMF/NATO protection racket upon seceding? Could it be that there’s been a concerted effort since the beginning of the Cold War to create a class of liberal and fascist collaborators in these countries with the explicit purpose of defeating communism? Should it be surprising that they’re anticommunist as a result?
Taiwan is probably the most obvious one to choose if I wanted an example of a country (allegedly) with a vested interest in making up human rights violations against China.
And how can you call the side with the US in it democratic?
Why are you changing goal posts? Looks like it is more countries than “the core”.
Ukraine also showed how China pressured everyone to not vote yes.
Ok, the goalposts turned and left us here. What do you want me to say? Looks like Poland, Taiwan, Czechia, Turkey, and Ukraine don’t like China, a phenomenon that I can’t offer an explanation for without being accused of moving the goalposts further.
If there’s something substantial to what you’re saying (hell you never even made a claim, the original comment in this chain wasn’t even specific about what he believed was or wasn’t true about Uyghurs) it’s on you to bring evidence to the table.
Ukraine has a government run by Nazis allowing pogroms of ethnic minorities in its borders they are not a reliable source.
Correct, the dividing line is between Democracy and Autocracy,
between the Garden and the Jungle,
between the imperialists and the anti-imperialists.
Those countries are in the core or the semi-periphery, depending on who you ask. They’re in the liminal space between the core and the periphery. They have “favored vassal” status, and won’t bite the hand that feeds them.
Turkes does not recognize it afaik
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