Maduro is the democratically elected president of Venezuela. With 51% of the vote, compared to his opposition gaining 43%, the US Empire has tried to rely on manufacturing false evidence against Maduro so their compradors can gain power. Venezuelans didn’t believe it, though, so the empire was forced to engage by force, bombing hospitals and murdering dozens of civilians in the process.
These lies undermining Maduro are the same claiming there is no genocide in Palestine, that socialism is scary and evil, that Trump won 2020, that Saddam had WMD. These lies are undermining a country that nationalized their oil industry, requiring foreign capital to only have a minority stake. For this sin of keeping Venezuelan wealth for Venezuelans, the empire kidnapped him.
Venezuelans are not stupid, though, nor are they willing to be colonized. The millitary and working classes both are aligned with the Bolivarian revolution. When the empire tries to establish a comprador regime, they will fail.
Has evidence on the vote tally stuff being fake come out? The whole thing is so plastered with imperialist propaganda it’s hard to find anything trustworthy.
The only “evidence” I’ve ever seen cited (by western media of course) was all stuff the US does on a larger scale: blocking candidates from ballots, closing/changing polling places at last minute, etc (can’t remember the rest, it was too stupid to take seriously). I have however read several accounts that the elections were overseen by hundreds of world officials and has been repeatedly said to have been one of the most democratic elections ever.
Hmm, believe this or the US who has been meddling in South America for 70+ years? 🤷♂️
The blocking of certain candidates happend for good reason: Those were involves in assassination plots against the government and coup plots. Any other country would have jailed them or outright put them to the wall.
Yeah I did hear that tons of observers said this, but if you search you only find articles with “independent observer says foul”.
It’s honestly hard to resist the constant trolling / psychological terrorism by MAGA and the smarmy gaslighting by the “left”. Makes you “want to believe” the less painful option. I mean seriously it’s the exact same playbook trump used on Jan 6th lol.
Tbh any doubt I had in his legitimacy is lessened by the U.S abducting him. That demonstrates he’s a legitimate problem for the U.S, which makes it more likely he’s a legitimate boon for the people of his own country (doesn’t confirm it, mind you)
We just need “If C then D” to chain A to D since the comment up top didn’t mention it . Oh, I think I see a problem here. In the us with leaders we constantly have “D and not C,” and even worse than the not C’s are the nazis. Ok, I’ll stop.
B doesn’t inherently mean C is correct, there’s just very strong correlation. It’s useful for quickly guessing, not for actual in-depth analysis. Though, the US did really love the Nazis for a good while, still does.
Yes that makes sense. The premises are too shaky for the argument to be sound despite the valid structure (which the commenter did not use and I pulled out of my ass).
I was mainly writing it out as an exercise to myself but left it because it kinda worked as a joke lol
Maduro is the democratically elected president of Venezuela. With 51% of the vote, compared to his opposition gaining 43%, the US Empire has tried to rely on manufacturing false evidence against Maduro so their compradors can gain power. Venezuelans didn’t believe it, though, so the empire was forced to engage by force, bombing hospitals and murdering dozens of civilians in the process.
These lies undermining Maduro are the same claiming there is no genocide in Palestine, that socialism is scary and evil, that Trump won 2020, that Saddam had WMD. These lies are undermining a country that nationalized their oil industry, requiring foreign capital to only have a minority stake. For this sin of keeping Venezuelan wealth for Venezuelans, the empire kidnapped him.
Venezuelans are not stupid, though, nor are they willing to be colonized. The millitary and working classes both are aligned with the Bolivarian revolution. When the empire tries to establish a comprador regime, they will fail.
Viva Venezuela! Viva Maduro!
Has evidence on the vote tally stuff being fake come out? The whole thing is so plastered with imperialist propaganda it’s hard to find anything trustworthy.
The only “evidence” I’ve ever seen cited (by western media of course) was all stuff the US does on a larger scale: blocking candidates from ballots, closing/changing polling places at last minute, etc (can’t remember the rest, it was too stupid to take seriously). I have however read several accounts that the elections were overseen by hundreds of world officials and has been repeatedly said to have been one of the most democratic elections ever.
Hmm, believe this or the US who has been meddling in South America for 70+ years? 🤷♂️
The blocking of certain candidates happend for good reason: Those were involves in assassination plots against the government and coup plots. Any other country would have jailed them or outright put them to the wall.
Yeah I did hear that tons of observers said this, but if you search you only find articles with “independent observer says foul”.
It’s honestly hard to resist the constant trolling / psychological terrorism by MAGA and the smarmy gaslighting by the “left”. Makes you “want to believe” the less painful option. I mean seriously it’s the exact same playbook trump used on Jan 6th lol.
Tbh any doubt I had in his legitimacy is lessened by the U.S abducting him. That demonstrates he’s a legitimate problem for the U.S, which makes it more likely he’s a legitimate boon for the people of his own country (doesn’t confirm it, mind you)
I know it’s not a good line of reasoning, but if you legitimately adopted this mindset you’d be correct 85-99% of the time.
Could you clarify why it’s not good reasoning?Argument:
We just need “If C then D” to chain A to D since the comment up top didn’t mention it . Oh, I think I see a problem here. In the us with leaders we constantly have “D and not C,” and even worse than the not C’s are the nazis. Ok, I’ll stop.
B doesn’t inherently mean C is correct, there’s just very strong correlation. It’s useful for quickly guessing, not for actual in-depth analysis. Though, the US did really love the Nazis for a good while, still does.
Yes that makes sense. The premises are too shaky for the argument to be sound despite the valid structure (which the commenter did not use and I pulled out of my ass).
I was mainly writing it out as an exercise to myself but left it because it kinda worked as a joke lol
I do very much appreciate an earnest answer.
No problem!
Nothing substantial so far, it’s drenched in consent manufacturing.