• masterflappie@europe.pub
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    22 hours ago

    Talk with some actual capitalists, and they’ll all tell you that their core values are pretty much the opposite of whatever you’re describing here.

    Capitalism is simply the most successful system in the world, so it’s an easy target for edgy teens who want something to blame for their failures.

    But please do tell me how I’m exploiting the world, or how I’m violent or racist. Maybe you can call me an fascist incel so the word salad has all the cool things kids say nowadays

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      22 hours ago

      Brazil follows the great northern European style of capitalism and this shit doesn’t work if you don’t exploit the global south.

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        22 hours ago

        Brazil? Their maximum tax bracket isn’t even half of what I’m currently paying in taxes, and I’m not even in the highest bracket

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      I speak with liberals all the time, you’re again confusing the values espoused by liberalism to justify capitalism with the actual material system as it exists in the real world. As for imperialism, it functions as follows:

      -The presence of monopolies which play a decisive role in economic life.

      -The merging of bank capital with industrial capital into finance capital controlled by a financial oligarchy.

      -The export of capital as distinguished from the simple export of commodities.

      -The formation of international monopolist capitalist associations (cartels) and multinational corporations.

      -The domination and exploitation of other countries by militaristic imperialist powers, now through neocolonialism.

      -The territorial division of the whole world among the biggest capitalist powers.

      The global north, Europe included, uses this export of capital to super-exploit foreign labor for super-profits. It also engages in unequal exchange, where the global south is prevented from moving up the value chain in production, allowing the global north to charge monopoly prices for commodities produced in the same labor hours.

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        Y’know, I was expecting a word salad of being called an incel, instead this is just a word salad of calling everything a monopoly. Half of the things you point to here are governmental actions, not capitalism. Capitalism is an economic system, not an ideology, it doesn’t control what the government should or shouldn’t do. And none of it even relates to the topic at hand, which was colonialism.

        And financial oligarchies are 100% just a hallucination, prettied up in fancy words so it sounds like you’re making an argument. You do not need permission from an oligarchy to make financial transactions.

        If the global north would stop trading with the global south, to “fix” this supposed exploitation, people like you would be the first to start crying about how an embargo on the south is preventing them from moving up the value chain in production. There is no logic here, just accusations. You have nothing to show but an attitude

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          This is the third time you say you expected to be called an incel.

          95% of people who think the left just calls everybody a Nazi turn out to be Nazis.

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          You’re incorrect on a few key factors.

          1. The economic system is the base, but laws, culture, the state, etc is the superstructure that reinforces the base. The base is what determines the superstructure, and they work together.

          2. Capitalists, those with capital, are those that control the state. This is because whoever controls the large firms and key industries, the principle aspects of the economy, controls the state via controlling production and distribution.

          3. The fact that the global north is controlled by the wealthiest of finance capital doesn’t mean it isn’t a problem. Calling the fact that banks control Europe and the US Empire a “hallucination” is just cope.

          If the global north would stop trading with the global south, to “fix” this supposed exploitation, people like you would be the first to start crying about how an embargo on the south is preventing them from moving up the value chain in production. There is no logic here, just accusations. You have nothing to show but an attitude

          If the global north stopped trading with the global south, we’d collapse overnight, because the bulk of our consumption rests on value created by the global south stolen by us. The way for the global south to escape underdevelopment and overexploitation is to form alliances like the Sahel States, partnering with countries like the PRC that don’t practice imperialism or unequal exchange, and engage in mutual development and cooperation along socialist lines.

          Read How Europe Underdeveloped Africa by Walter Rodney, and maybe toss in Super-Imperialism: The Origins and Nature of US World Dominance by Michael Hudson and Imperialism, the Current Highest Stage of Capitalism by Vladimir Lenin.