Howard Zinn’s A People’s History of the United States said it all in 1980. The current events are only new chapters to the book.
The thing is, there was a (twisted, yes, but actually there) logic to what the Reich did. What the US does appears to be fairly random as they change their mind every other week, and their rants rarely, if ever, make any sense.
They’re trying to re-assert control as their super-profits from imperialism are drying up and they need to boost domestic manufacturing. It’s rational, but has evil consequences and can’t actually work.
They got away with Latin America coups, Vietnam, Cambodia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria and many more, they will got away with Venezuela and Palestine. In the end who can make them stop? The world is a jungle and in the jungle the law of the strongest prevails.
We need socialism
Replacing a violent country with the system that historically always led to military dictatorships does not sound like a recipe for success.
You don’t need socialism, you need northern European style capitalism
Socialism has always led to working class control of the state. It’s a recipe for the uplifting of the working classes. European style capitalism relies on imperialism to fund their safety nets, and as imperialism is weakening so too are the safety nets, which is why austerity politics and the far-right are on the rise in Europe.
Please, do tell me more about… let’s say… the luxembourgish imperialism. Did they conquer any new nation recently?
Luxembourg’s role within western imperialism is as a tax haven. It’s a micronation that gets wealthy off of finance capital and being a glorified and legalized money laundering scheme.
So imperialism is… not taxing people? That’s a very fluid take on it
No? Imperialism is as I already laid out for you, a process by which the global north, dominated by monopoly finance capital, exports capital to the global south to super-exploit foreign labor for super-profits. Luxembourg’s role in that international system is as a foreign tax haven for the imperialists.
imperialism, state policy, practice, or advocacy of extending power and dominion, especially by direct territorial acquisition or by gaining political and economic control of other areas.
https://www.britannica.com/topic/imperialism
You know you can just look up these thing right?
Not taxing your citizens, is not imperialism. Luxembourg is not an imperialist country.
The process that you’re describing is called free trade. As soon as the global south doesn’t want to partake in this trade, they can stop. And Luxembourg wouldn’t have anything to say on that matter.
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This guy doesn’t know what socialism is and is too scared of bogeymen to learn.
You should take a drive through Eastern Europe and see how real that boogeyman is
I’ve been! Met some lovely people. Saw some beautiful places. You should try leaving your home city just once in your sheltered closeted little life.
The world is not what Fox News is telling you it is.
Lmao, I am European. Wtf would I need to watch Fox news for?
Sorry bud but painting a stereotype is not really defending your position. Did CNN tell you that that was OK?
Well I figured you were either some dipshit from the flyover counties or, far more likely, an employee of a troll farm. I figured I’d give you the benefit of the doubt.
Oh yeah, all very good points. Maybe you can also call me a sexist fascist bigoted incel, that’ll really show off your knowledge on the subject
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Eastern Europe hasn’t been socialist for 3 decades. What you see is the devastation of capitalism and western imperialism plundering formerly functional states.
You could argue that they’ve never been socialist, because like every other attempt it just devolved into military dictatorships. The effects of that attempt are still present today. Take any political or social map of Germany and you can still see where the old borders were
No, you cannot make that argument, because it isn’t true. Socialist states have had the working classes in control of the state, and this is proven with hard evidence from the opening of the soviet archives confirming leftist documentation and reporting within the SU. As for the former GDR, the communists were purged in show trials by the west, which never genuinely de-Nazified. That’s why there’s a far-right reaction there.
Mate, even the majority of socialists disagree with this view, let alone someone who is critical of socialism.
The USSR was a dictatorship full of nepotism and corruption, where you could get jailed for the dumbest reasons, ranging from being gay to practicing karate. None of these rules were established by workers and all of them were created by the bureaucracy.
The workers were the people who ended the USSR
The last anything anyone needs is European anything. European capitalism brought the world the USA, two world wars, and imperialism. They’re on a 80 year experiment of having a small amount of welfare but it has never been enough and that is about to end when they remilitarize
Colonialism was not capitalism, there’s nothing capitalist about taking prisoners and stealing land for government charted monopolies.
Meanwhile northern Europe has the highest standard of living, healthcare quality, accessibility and life expectancy. And all of it is being paid for with the spoils of capitalism
You’re seriously going to tell me that Victorian imperialism wasn’t capitalism? That the rape of India wasn’t capitalism? That the Belgian congo wasn’t operated by capitalist investors? You’re ahistorical and an idiot. You think the Algerian colonies weren’t operated by European capitalists? Nazi Germany is a great example of European capitalism as well.
Your highest standard of living is based on capitalist exploitation of the entire world and the working class. Your sick, violent, white supremacist countries are about to flush it’s social democracy directly down the toilet to go to war with Russia too. Guns or Butter.
You’re delusional.
Talk with some actual capitalists, and they’ll all tell you that their core values are pretty much the opposite of whatever you’re describing here.
Capitalism is simply the most successful system in the world, so it’s an easy target for edgy teens who want something to blame for their failures.
But please do tell me how I’m exploiting the world, or how I’m violent or racist. Maybe you can call me an fascist incel so the word salad has all the cool things kids say nowadays
Brazil follows the great northern European style of capitalism and this shit doesn’t work if you don’t exploit the global south.
Brazil? Their maximum tax bracket isn’t even half of what I’m currently paying in taxes, and I’m not even in the highest bracket
I speak with liberals all the time, you’re again confusing the values espoused by liberalism to justify capitalism with the actual material system as it exists in the real world. As for imperialism, it functions as follows:
-The presence of monopolies which play a decisive role in economic life.
-The merging of bank capital with industrial capital into finance capital controlled by a financial oligarchy.
-The export of capital as distinguished from the simple export of commodities.
-The formation of international monopolist capitalist associations (cartels) and multinational corporations.
-The domination and exploitation of other countries by militaristic imperialist powers, now through neocolonialism.
-The territorial division of the whole world among the biggest capitalist powers.
The global north, Europe included, uses this export of capital to super-exploit foreign labor for super-profits. It also engages in unequal exchange, where the global south is prevented from moving up the value chain in production, allowing the global north to charge monopoly prices for commodities produced in the same labor hours.
Y’know, I was expecting a word salad of being called an incel, instead this is just a word salad of calling everything a monopoly. Half of the things you point to here are governmental actions, not capitalism. Capitalism is an economic system, not an ideology, it doesn’t control what the government should or shouldn’t do. And none of it even relates to the topic at hand, which was colonialism.
And financial oligarchies are 100% just a hallucination, prettied up in fancy words so it sounds like you’re making an argument. You do not need permission from an oligarchy to make financial transactions.
If the global north would stop trading with the global south, to “fix” this supposed exploitation, people like you would be the first to start crying about how an embargo on the south is preventing them from moving up the value chain in production. There is no logic here, just accusations. You have nothing to show but an attitude
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Colonialism was absolutely an aspect of capitalism. You are correct that these high standards of living are paid for by capitalism, just that it’s stolen value from the labor of the global south through imperialism, not through European labor.
Private property and freedom of association are core aspects of capitalism, colonialism did none of those things. Capitalism didn’t arrive in the colonies until the colonists left.
Slaves were considered private property in the USAmerica, right?
Was USAmerica a colony during their civil war?The US Empire is still a settler-colony, to be clear.
Private property alone doesn’t make capitalism, by that logic the ancient civilzations of egypt and sumer would already be capitalist. Capitalism is a collection of ideas, from the right to own private property to freedom of association, none of which is compatible with slavery.
Which is a big reason why the capitalist countries were the first to outlaw slavery.
You’re confusing values espoused by liberalism with the consequences of economies dominated by private property. Colonialism was driven by capitalism, and justified by liberalism. Further, I am talking about ongoing imperialism, not just colonialism.
just what exactly is liberal about invading foreign countries and submitting them to production quota’s at the threat of death?
The Nazis were inspired by what went on in America. Genocide, concentration camps, segregation, forced sterilization, taking the children, etc
The US would be better off if it becomes a socialist/communist country during the Great Depression - if any of you wanted an idea on what that would be like, read the althistory story “Reds! A Revolutionary Timeline”.
America is already worse than Russia, you guys just don’t remember recent history
70k dead in Gaza, half of them children. Russia didn’t do this.
2 things
- It says Nazi Germany not Russia
- Don’t imply I’m American, ew
Is it so hard to hold in your mind the concept that multiple countries may be evil?
Or are you just saying one is worse than the other? If so, why even? They both need dismantling.
What happens to a MFer with mental illness. This guy.
Knowing the truth is mental illness. Right.
This is only true of somebody does something about us.
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I mean this is what happens when you send your religious fanatics and criminals to colonize new lands. 🤷🏻♀️
We need to teach more self-defense classes (like martial arts, for example). For Renee.
I’m really just over this. A large chuck of America are immigrants from the same countries as you and are here because of other countries atrocities.
It takes a village, or in this case the world.
As it has in history past.
So you’re going to have to help eventually or you’ll be exactly what you accuse us of being when it happens to you.
Germany didn’t fix its own problems. Europe couldn’t even do it. Don’t forget that.
I have no idea what you’re trying to say.
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They are settlers, not immigrants. Settlers are always mass murderers.
So I can’t see most of the comments here on hexbear, but In going to assume you have a bunch of libs agreeing that yes Trump has made it worse, a few comrades pointing out the US has always been like this, and then a shitton of dumbass lemmitors spouting ahistorical red-scare arguments in response to those comrades.
I should make a “liberal thoughtkiller” flowchart. Everything they do is predetermined
Even got one blaming nazis invading Poland because they wanted to distract from government spending killing the German economy…
Cool, can we fast forward to the hangings pls?
Another thing we can accuse the US and their UK poodles of it’s only hanging a handful of nazis for show in their Nurenberg showtrials. (if that’s what you’re referring to)
They gave the vast majority of nazis all the help they needed escaping to S-America, Canada, etc…
Or simply forgave them and left them in high positions.Operation Paperclip brought over 1600 Germans including many Nazi scientists and leadership into the US to provide engineering for the US military and politically engineer the 50 year fascist project starting with Dulles and solidifying total control under W Bush. The CIA which was created by merging the OSS with literal Nazi’s had the leader of the agency George Bush Sr, become president.
I’m tired of hearing about this as if it was the only one. It’s what they call a limited hangout.
Everyone knows it and it’s somewhat understandable from a pragmatic standpoint.
US/UK took effort to let them surrender to their western friends since the Russians would give the their deserved reward.
After which plenty somehow vanished.
And almost nobody knows about the ratlines, set up by the west to let all the other nazis escape.
Among them mass murderers like Klaus Barbie, Adolf Eichmann, Josef Mengele, Croatian Dictator Ante Pavelić, and Léon Degrelle.
And masses of low rank war criminals, the worst of the worst, including 1000’s of SS division Galizien from Ukraine.
Shipped to the UK and then got relocated with new names in Canada.
Their offspring still very active and with the same despicable ideology.
The Hunka incident is not a coincidence.I don’t think it is understandable to bring Nazi leadership into your country and allow them to develop a military 🤷♀️
The “understandable” veneer is that they were all apolitical scientists who only wanted to do more science.
Of course that’s not true, but that’s how it’s taught in schools.
not for us ‘normal’ people.
But the Paperclip were useful to them, that’s why it can be seen as an understandable excuse.
The rest certainly not.
Won’t matter.
I rather see a Cyberpunk2077 future happening
its been known to be worse than germany for hundreds of years, hitler based his concentration camps and the holocaust in part on the american treatment of indigenous people.
they killed tens of millions of people with muskets, 6 shooters, repeaters, and disease, on horses, and trains. all the while enslaving an entire race of human beings in the process. which arguably was the main reason they could enrich and modernize their country in the first place. free labour.
america has always ALWAYS been the bad guy. they just had really really good “marketing” and military strength for the last century.
what is happening now are the final flailings of a dying empire. it will stretch itself thin, bankrupt itself, crash the dollar, fuck the global economy, and be picked apart by oligarchs until mentioning the word “union” gets you shot on the spot, not by a robot police officer, but your fellow “patriot” between spoon fulls of soylent green.
the rot is far too deep, and the purification of chaos is, unfortunately, the only remedy, and an imminant one at that. whether we agree or not, like it or not, its coming, its here. and thats just the way it has to be, apparantly.
any social progress may have to wait a few decades, maybe even centuries depending on the outcome of WW3. if at all.
but, EVENTUALLY, if we survive it. there will be a social revolution, and hopefully that one creates a better life for those alive to live it. likely still just a handfull will enjoy everything life has to offer and more. but maybe, just maybe the masses will take back whats theirs and live fully again.
Fuckin’ hell, I feel like a kid in 2226 reading this on some kind of wall plaque after it was discovered in the cautionary history archives that survived the great fires. I think it struck me when I read this line:
the rot is far too deep, and the purification of chaos is, unfortunately, the only remedy
It’s just a very elegant way to describe the btshit craziness of living in “interesting times.”
Oh and hey future people who have presumably learned to be excellent to one another: put me in the plaque! It’s a thing we used to do on this old internet here with screenshots, you see.
