I (21f) am 5’5" and skinny. I recently attended a self-defense class, and there I was tought how to use a pocket knife. And as I have some male friends 6’5"+ tall, I thought that that height actually makes your belly particularly vulnerable in case of a fight (in comparisson with short people):

  1. a short person’s shoulder height is around the same level as your belly making it easier to stab/hit;
  2. your belly is proportionally a larger target.

And in general, if a 6’5"+ guy stands in front of me with his stomach released (even if he has just a bit of a belly) it feels like having an exposed, large and squishy punching/stabbing bag right in front of me, into which, if needed, I can easily harshly and deeply plunge anything straight away.

I also practice historical fencing (rapier) and most of the times I stab tall opponents into the belly - my favorite thrusts are ducking counterattacks when I duck while they attack, go low and impale a tall guy’s unprotected belly right onto my rapier.

What do you think about it?

  • anneSong@lemmy.worldOP
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    24 hours ago

    Why would I run from you and increase the risk of you catching and grabbing me, when I can fight back by quickly pulling the knife out of my pocket and (since I’m sneakier, a smaller target and also have swordfighting skills due to fencing) just plunge my knife right into your belly up to the hilt (or even quickly slice your belly open to ensure you’re incapacitated and represent no threat to me)?

    • √𝛂𝛋𝛆@piefed.world
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      22 hours ago

      Because I will grab your hand. You could hurt me in other unique ways due to my chronic injuries. At the same time, I have spent the last 12 years in severe and unrelenting pain. As a former cyclist racer, I already had an enormous propensity for pain. Now, I’m nearly impervious to it. Nothing you could do would stop me until I lose consciousness. I don’t say that to be mean or a troll or anything. At your age, it is hard to fathom how perception of pain changes at double your age. Like in militaries, the vanguard goes last (older experienced people). We are more susceptible to injuries in some ways, but make up for it in experience and particularly in capacity for pain. Similarly in cycling racing at the amateur local levels, the masters races are often the fastest and most brutal. When you’re older, you know your real limits far better than the voice in your head screaming for you to stop.

      I feel like my spine has a long sword shoved through it top to bottom all the time. I hurt in places and ways no human should be aware of their existence. When you are young, you likely imagine stuff like this is impossible; that everything can be fixed or means death. Such is not the case. It is possible to suffer terribly in ways where nothing can be done. I actually appear weaker in my hobbling and caution, trying to avoid cycles of injury, but under that façade, I am still capable, and mask the underlying ability to handle any pain short of death. My margins are on that line all the time. Even since my broken neck and back, I have broken bones riding a bike for physical therapy, and I just rode home with them and while bleeding rather seriously just out of my stubbornness and desire to say I have done so. The swelling actually puts pressure on my spine in ways that make my constant pain go away. Stabbing me, might actually help make me much stronger.

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        22 hours ago

        Well, how will grabbing my hand help you, when my blade is plunged into your belly? How are you going to hold my hand exactly at the position I drove the knife into your stomach? And why you think I cannot just really quickly slice open your belly, even before you grab my hand? And with your gut sliced open its not long before you pass out as well. So, if we’re talking about self-defense I can pretty realistically disembowel you actually.

        • √𝛂𝛋𝛆@piefed.world
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          21 hours ago

          Go hunting some time and try dressing an animal. Try and use a pocket knife or any other for that matter. You will quickly find the value of a filleting knife and that there is much to the technique. It is not at all like you imagine it to be, I promise it is much much harder than that and nothing like games or movies might have you imagine. It is more like cutting a tough steak. Some little knife is nothing more than superficial cutting at best. Even if you really hit an artery somewhere, you would be strangled twice over before that wound would lead to a loss of consciousness.

          For me, as a former racing cyclist, you never want to be around my legs. My lower body is deceptively massive and stronger than you can imagine, especially at my size. All I have to do is bulldoze you with my weight and size. If you are expecting some kind of parried fighting you are wrong. I will put my weight and efforts into stopping and pinning your arm, but my objective is to physically dominate you by force and I do not care if you get a stab. In my crashes on the bike I lost one of the nerves in my chin for a quarter of my face where I am numb to pressure and temperature. I split my right hand between index and middle finger into my palm. I am covered in scars from road rash taking off large chunks of skin. I know pain on another level. If I am on top of you at all, you have no chance of overcoming the force of my legs. My thighs are likely around the size of your waist if you are a skinny 5’5". So yeah, good luck with former racing me. You would likely unintentionally push my head to my left. Even a mild blow there would likely cause me major trouble and maybe death. Likewise with punching at a my ribs that connect to my sternum. You could easily crush or collapse my vertebrae with little effort. The rest of me is a strong 42yo, but my mid to upper spine is something like 90.

          Some people do not feel pain. I got that ability the hard way, but I have known two people that got it with genetics. They actually have trouble where they could bleed out before noticing it. Never assume anything when you are throwing out all morality to turn to violence. Your opponent is the smartest, most well armed, strongest and most agile person on the planet. To assume anything less is to wind up dead. Never pull a gun you are unwilling or unable to use, same with a knife. Make every threat real or you end up dead because luck is a killer that must never get called. Surprise is everything in fighting, so constrain every variable possible. If you are pulling a knife in defense, that means I am attacking. That means I have constrained the variables. That means I am prepared and you will never have the chance to draw your knife. I am not attacking you because, like everyone else, I am not motivated to harm you in any way. At your age, I had a 12 gage, a .243, and a .22 that helped me through that phase. Humans are not fully cognitively developed until the age of around 25. The logic skills and self awareness in this specific area are a major aspect of what is still growing and developing. Try to keep that anxiety in check as best as possible. It is natural to feel such anxiety. It is part of developing self awareness and logical scopes of vulnerability and hierarchy. We do not talk about this stage of development enough in US culture.