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    • spirit@lemmy.worldEnglish
      1·
      2 years ago

      Update 2: My conclusion

      Update: So I dug around a little deeper, and found that

      On another topic, there are rumors circulating that we are fascists or supported genocide. These claims are completely false, and like most viral twitter threads, are coming from a single Mastodon user on a personal vendetta who didn’t provide any sources. Such slander doesn’t deserve any response and is best left ignored.

      Update: More info about @dessalines@lemmy.ml

      • CriticalResist8@lemmygrad.mlEnglish
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        2 years ago

        another mod said that @muad_dibber@lemmygrad.ml is funded by the NED. Source: https://archive.is/G5Dh7

        lmao you actually believe that us joking around that we’re being funded by the NED is evidence that muad’dibber is funded by them?

        For your information the NED is a CIA front created by an Act of Congress, it’s a tool of regime change established after the CIA lost their capabilities to simply go change presidents in other countries in the 60s-70s.

        The running joke on Lemmygrad is that we’re all feds. You’re wayyy out of your depth lol

      • epicspongee [they/them or he/him]@midwest.socialEnglish
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        2 years ago

        This is so weird to me lol, maybe I’m just odd but it’s so weird seeing McCarthyism still rearing it’s ugly head after what… 5 decades? I am by no means an ML (can’t stand them as an anarchist) but this is wildly blowing out of proportion what @dessalines@lemmy.ml has said and done.

        I mean like why link a ‘Socialist FAQ’ that’s literally just a ton of links to education on socialism and the different schools of thought it has? Not all communists are tankies (not even most) lol. Just generally shows a lack of familiarity with actual leftists / anticapitalists.

        • bob@lemmy.havocperil.ukEnglish
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          2 years ago

          I think it’s more like 7 decades and I thought the same. Reds-under-the-bed is still a thing!

          • epicspongee [they/them or he/him]@midwest.socialEnglish
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            2 years ago

            Please stop spamming this in the thread, it’s annoying af.

            Sometimes people just like spreading drama. Other times they just have weird or different beliefs. Accusing someone of having ulterior motives isn’t useful or helpful unless you can demonstrate that this person isn’t just having an internet debate that they feel strongly about.

            • LoboInvernal@lemmy.ptEnglish
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              2 years ago

              Accusing someone of having ulterior motives isn’t useful

              @spirit is making claims out of his ass though and taking lots of upvotes. I don’t agree with spamming but there is no proof the reddit user is Dessalines.

        • DudePluto@lemmy.worldEnglish
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          2 years ago

          I mean regardless of the devs’ opinions they are forwarding the democratization of information by working on this project

          • DreamerOfImprobableDreams@kbin.social
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            2 years ago

            Yeah, honestly, these NED guys seem really cool based on the wikipedia article. It’s nice to find out my tax dollars are actually supporting something positive every now and again :)

      • kestrel7@kbin.social
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        2 years ago

        I believe those people saying lemmy is funded by the National Endowment for Democracy were being sarcastic. Thanks for rounding this up though, I appreciate people who do the due diligence.

        • A_A@lemmy.worldEnglish
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          2 years ago

          You mean to say : except for that excellent comment you replied to ?

          • Snowpix@yiffit.netEnglish
            01·
            2 years ago

            I’m referring to the comments section on the post he linked to, where half the comments are tankies trying to defend the actions of the admins who were banning users and calling them racist for criticizing the CCP/Kremlin.

      • MrFlamey@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        2 years ago

        It’s definitely good to have people like you investigating the backgrounds of key developers, as there might be ulterior motives behind them developing open platforms that compete with established Western companies outside of loving the free web and open source. Thank you!

        However, I wonder how many opinions we disagree with would be unearthed by doing this kind of research on every core developer of Chrome, Windows, MacOS, Google or whatever. I think you would find a lot if you get people to air their honest opinions. In today’s climate, if these people were open about certain opinions they might hold (not saying they do, but statistically it’s likely some do) they would just be fired, so it’s easy for large corporations to shake damage to their reputation from having certain staff members. For OSS it is a bit harder, since although developers can be pushed out, and software can be forked, it’s all open and it’s harder to understate the contribution to the source code etc. that such a person could have contributed.

        It does kind of suck when you hear that developers working on software you like have wildly different worldviews to your own, but sometimes you have to put things in perspective. Having said that, if this guy is the only developer I might feel less than happy about using Lemmy instead of Reddit.

        • Otakeb@lemmy.worldEnglish
          2·
          2 years ago

          Personally, I’d rather my open source, decentralized software be developed by a nearly fanatical communist than a slimy entrepreneur/capitalist. Either could try to pull the rug out from under you, but at least one is internally consistent until then…

          • WolfBearSheep67@lemmy.worldEnglish
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            2 years ago

            I’d rather have open source, decentralized software be developed by none of those groups/slimy individual. Doesn’t have to be mutually exclusive.

          • xzite@lemmy.worldEnglish
            11·
            2 years ago

            but at least one is internally consistent until then…

            Having to do the mental gymnastics required to make China not commit genocide does not suggest internal consistency…

          • Nadya@kbin.social
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            2 years ago

            Since you didn’t notice that in that post /u/parentis_shotgun claims to have made Jerboa and links to it - which links to github.com/dessalines/jerboa - you’re not very observant so I’ll provide you with some alternative posts as evidence.

            Step 1) Visit /u/parentis_shotgun’s profile

            Step 2) Old PgDn to load some posts. Find the one that says nothing but “Yes” on it. This post specifically.

            Step 3) Click Context to see which question it is answering

            Step 4) Read the question: “Wait a second, are you the same dessalines that narrated my The State and Revolution by Lenin and Fascism: What it is and how to fight it by Trotsky?”

            Step 5) See /u/parentis_shotgun’s response: “Yes.”

            “Misinformation”.

            Ask yourself: What exactly do you get out of defending Tankies?

            Alternative route #1: Find parentis_shotgun’s post about creating thumb-key - a privacy-conscious Android keyboard made for your thumbs. Notice it links to a Github profile for dessalines.

            Alternative route #2: Find this post where they keep their “communist 101s” on dessalines.github.io/essays/

              • Nadya@kbin.social
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                2 years ago

                I dislike genocide apologists about as much as I dislike liars and people who spread misinformation. It’s trivially easy to confirm who /u/parentis_shotgun is - so calling it misinformation is blatantly lying especially when their first point is blatantly wrong.

                People can be OK with the dev being a Tankie (“separate the art from the artist” which is a terrible philosophy in its own right but people are welcome to believe in it this more of a philosophical difference) but denying that the dev is a Tankie is where I cross the line. The dev is a Tankie. Do with that information what you will but there is no denying it.

      • iturnedintoanewt@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        2 years ago

        Wow…thanks. I had no idea this was ongoing. As someone living in Asia and seeing these issues from up close, these ring close to home. I’ll be paying attention for any of these…moderations.

      • rainfern@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        2 years ago

        You leave reddit because the ceo introduces shitty pricing but you don’t mind the main devs being literal fascists?

        • Defaced@lemmy.worldEnglish
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          2 years ago

          The beauty of federated networks is you can avoid the platforms with these kinds of people altogether. I typically avoid lemmy.ml altogether unless I don’t have a choice and even then it’s pretty easily to find alternatives.

        • Rick@lemmy.worldEnglish
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          2 years ago

          The project is open source and anyone can create instances, that’s why its irrelevant.

          • rainfern@lemmy.worldEnglish
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            2 years ago

            The way it works in practice is that the largest instances are where most people go. What is stopping those devs from imposing their views on the community, e.g. by censoring?

            • Rick@lemmy.worldEnglish
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              2 years ago

              If that happens word gets out and people switch and currently the instances ran by the OG tankies are actively trying to dissuade people from joining.