It’s not what the meme says, nor the apparent general opinion here.

The meme says that Capitalism did not exists for 99% of history (save for the fact that apparently UK was a capitalistic society in 1500s according to some) and that the world was better without it, failing to acknowledge that besides the many defects, Capitalism also brought prosperity to a large portion of humanity (which according to some here is a bad thing since exploitations still exist somewhere), and that it was partially adopted also in ex Communist countries.

Oh, and apparently any western country is an Authoritarian regime, and China is the best country for the improvement of life quality (no mentions for dissidents, but the US is surely much worse).

This is basically the summary of the whole thread. I haven’t heard so much ideology since the high school.

It happened to me at work and it was a very bad period. Even if it ended well for me, no forgiveness.

In every society (even animal) the leaders tend to have a better life than the rest. However, I would argue that also the nobility of the past was subject to all sorts of “inconveniences” that would be unthinkable today.

Contextualising to the discussion, I find quite ridiculous to “forget” that Capitalism brought more prosperity than any system before it, or to focus on the exploitations of minorities as if they weren’t the norm for the majority in the past.

So we cannot agree even on that. Ok.

Bye!

You seem the most reasonable here, but I see a problem continuing this argument if we can’t agree that there are fundamental differences between what is commonly intended as authoritarian government (let’s say Russia, Turkey, Iran, China, …) and the average western country.

It does not mean that western countries are perfect, nor that none shows sign of authoritarianism (Trump’s US), nor that nothing should change, or anything of the things I never said in this thread.

You don’t have to run away from the conversation just because you have a different definition of authoritarianism.

Contrary to what you may believe, I replied to this thread to have some fun and a chat around what I find a terrible meme. What I learned is that I should simply avoid any interaction with anyone writing from hexbear since you guys approach politics in a very identitarian way which is something I find dull.

No offence intended, but continue without me. Bye!

The Middle Ages were a long period with a lot of variety, but I hope we can agree that modern life is better than that for a large portion of humanity, if not all of it.

The term authoritarianism is utterly meaningless because all governments rely on coercion to maintain their authority.

I think that we can’t agree on the very basic definitions here.

I wish you good luck. Bye!

it’s completely unsustainable

Probably a large portion of the world would agree on that. A change, especially for the environment, is inevitable.

China is no more a pure Communist country and Cuba may have a good healthcare system, but sorry if I stick to my capitalistic Europe.

I guess we will stick to our own opinions. Bye!

Progress that did not happen at the same rate in non-capitalistic societies.

Given that your account is 6 days old, and you’re just stirring up an argument by being deliberately obtuse and engaging in bad faith, I’m going to assume you’re a ban evasion account

You’d be wrong, but I’m not going to argue. In this whole thread I’ve read enough granitic opinion not open to debate.

Bye!

Yes, I criticise OP for how he expressed the idea.

No, I believe that things change constantly and that includes political and economical systems.

not sure what you could possibly mean that communism didn’t work well

Authoritarianism, repression, slower innovation and progress compared to Capitalism, pick what you prefer.

Not even China or Russia are pure Communist anymore.

Of course there were the seeds because systems do not appear overnight, but that was not the Capitalism as we intend it today.

The right direction would obviously be socialism with public ownership of the means of production and an economy being directed towards meeting the needs of working majority as opposed to a handful of elites.

So communism.

Not that I dislike the idea in principle, it’s just that it didn’t work well.

I never said that humanity shouldn’t surpass capitalism. Actually I think it will happen like it always happened with every system.

I fail to see what any of this has to do with an economic system. These are scientific or legal topics.

Don’t you see relationships between political and economic systems? Capitalism is probably the most evident example of that.

I’m arguing that if you lived in any of the previous systems, you would have dreamt to live in today’s Capitalism because it is the first system that produced a world where a large portion of humanity lived a safe and happy life.

It doesn’t mean that Capitalism is perfect. It’s just the best system so far.

Waiting for OP to tell us what should come next.

Finally someone reasonable here!

Sooner or later Capitalism will be replaced by a new -ism that will be the new best system possible, and that future generation will blame anyway with idiotic memes.

It’s just in the nature of things.

I’m curious now: what would be the right direction without going backwards?