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  • You’re still implying they have a right to my thoughts. I strongly disagree.

    Counterpoint: No, I’m not. You’re making the life of internet users who are looking for a solution worse, and hoping Reddit is somehow harmed as a side effect. Nothing in that implies I think that I or they have a right to your thoughts. You are just following a poor strategy, lashing out using the only lever you have, without any logical basis to think it will achieve what you want. Your methods will not produce the results you seek.

    If you feel differently, feel free to explain. I’ll read your post. But I think I’m done replying to this thread for now - my original post said what I mean.






  • I hear these justifications a lot, but the conclusion doesn’t follow from the premises.

    The value of the archival data that can be affected by deleting or editing is almost entirely only user-accessed value. Reddit isn’t harmed at all from the edits. It primarily needs active regular users to improve its stock value. Alternatively, it can sell archival data for AI training.

    Editing old comments removes neither value source from Reddit. You moved away from it so deprived it of both the material value of new comments and the statistical value of being an active user. Reddit also assuredly has saved data from before the API issue and can likely spot and clean the mass edits to sell the data from training purposes.

    Conversely, the value to users and society is high. So many solutions to problems that are gone forever. The Internet is decaying already and it gets harder to find useful information, and those leaving decided to just burn down a library of Alexandria.

    It’s their - and your - right, sure. They’re by definition done on comments the user owns. But this is just punching desperate Internet users in the face hoping it gives Reddit a bloody nose.



  • Yeah, this post started as a reassurance that Tailscale wouldn’t enshittify. But it turned out to just be an argument about how to avoid enshittification that boiled down to two principles:

    1. You shouldn’t make your product worse because it’ll eventually harm the company; and
    2. Founders are magic and need to never turn over control of the company to others (be it new CEOs or VC) to resist enshittification.

    Both are partially right and partially wrong.

    For #1: Yes, making your product worse eventually harms the company. No, you can’t expect CEOs to accept that as a reason to not make their product worse because even if it harms the company, short-term incentives that lead to enshittification are eventually going to become irresistible. His comment about reaching “zen” with leveled growth and profit will never stop VCs from calling in demands and favors.

    For #2: Yes, founders typically “get it” more than their VC- or failure-initiated replacements. No, that doesn’t mean founders are uniquely resistant to enshittification. This is your point too, and it’s why I don’t believe this person - they lose credibility here because they don’t acknowledge they aren’t special. Every tech bro out there thinks they’ve cracked the code to permanent tech hegemony. That exceptionalist thinking turns into enshittification, since the product-worsening or overcharging is easier to justify as temporary/necessary/not-a-big-deal (until it isn’t).

    And all of this doesn’t explain why Tailscale specifically gets immunity if the principles are true.

    So interesting post, and a lot more self-awareness than most founders which is still a little reassuring, but a lot of warning signs too.

    Edit: clarity