Sorry to beat the same drum in a short amount of time, but this is where thinking Biden wasn’t doing enough has led. Perfect being the enemy of the good and all. Explicit calls for ethnic cleansing were at least not on the table with the last administration.

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    Explicit calls for ethnic cleansing were at least not on the table with the last administration.

    Trump: we should ethnically cleanse Gaza

    Democrats: 👏 HIRE 👏 MORE 👏 FEMALE 👏 GENOCIDE 👏 DENYING 👏 PRESS 👏 SECRETARIES 👏

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      With that sense of humour, I believe you’re qualified to work in a '90s newsroom. Be sure to let us know how that goes.

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    Sure biden wouldn’t have explicitly called for ethnic cleansing but he was and would continue sending them all the bombs they needed to do it while supporting all of their propaganda. The only difference is rhetoric and speed.

    Why are you angry at the voters who “failed the party” and not at the party for failing to attract voters?

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      It’s not my fault I shot myself in the foot. Someone should have provided me with a better pair of shoes.

      No I can’t be bothered to take up cobbling.

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          No. They’re supposed to be a means for us to make intelligent decisions that keep the world from being as bad as it possibly could be. They’re a means of exerting our influence other than spilling blood.

          Is it better when they represent us? Yes. Is it better when we have access to politicians who actually have a substantial moral compass and aren’t swayed by money? Absolutely.

          But does that mean that if we don’t have that we should throw childish fits and sabotage our own world in response? Absolutely not.

          Want to know a good way to make sure that politicians actually focus on representing the interests of their electorate?

          …Become a politician and do it. Put your money where your mouth is. Instead of having a tantrum and letting the worst possible person literally light the government on fire, go be the change you want to see.

          Or, if you’re not willing to do that, use your intelligence to make the world as good as you can with the limited power that you have instead of lying on the ground kicking and screaming because nobody’s doing it for you.

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        Now you see the problem here is I never expected better shoes, I knew damn well no one would give them to me. I also despise the insinuation that the democrats provided protection of any kind

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        My apologies, that wasn’t a quote it was meant to imply sarcasm. I was saying failed the party in a facetious sense because I don’t believe anyone actually failed them.

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          The Democratic Party failed with their lurch toward neoliberalism in the '90s in the face of Gingrich. NAFTA was virulently antilabour, and things didn’t get better from there, with the next domino being WTO shit.

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    Letting them destroy the whole place was step 1. I guess everybody’s seen the pictures.

    “Thinking Biden didn’t do enough led us here” is an insane thing to say. Voting for Trump led us to step 2. You’re not even sure the people you are blaming did vote for Trump, are you? Stop the blame game and focus.

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      I’m not here to defend the prior administration. I just find it almost comical that anyone thought Trump would be an improvement if not for the drastic outcomes we’re going to see. Bluntly, I think he wants the strip cleared out so that he and the Kushners can get some cheap real estate. The only thing that matters to him is self enrichment.

      If you believe this is an improvement, that’s certainly your right, but I don’t see it.

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        I just find it almost comical that anyone thought Trump would be an improvement if not for the drastic outcomes we’re going to see.

        OK…just to make sure I understand you correctly - the people you’re mad at, are people who either voted for Trump, or didn’t vote at all, because of their opinions about Biden’s response to the genocide in Gaza.

        if that’s accurate, two questions:

        a) what is your estimate for the size of that group of people?

        b) how many actual individual people in that group can you identify by name? how many do you know personally? (vs having read a news story quoting them)

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          Counterpoint: What’s the relevance of either of those questions for an election that happened three months ago? I don’t like relitigating unspooled events.

          You’re welcome to your opinion that Biden or Harris would have been worse, but the facts don’t bear that out at all. I’m not mad at people; I’m somewhat surprised Pikachu that anyone thought this would not be the net result and vote accordingly.

          Projecting your political beliefs and rationales on others is not Beeing Nice. Your takeaway is not at all what I said, no matter how much you’d like it to be.

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            What’s the relevance of either of those questions for an election that happened three months ago? I don’t like relitigating unspooled events.

            my brother in Cthulhu, you started this post by saying:

            this is where thinking Biden wasn’t doing enough has led.

            you should decide if you’re for or against re-litigating things

            Projecting your political beliefs and rationales on others is not Beeing Nice.

            meanwhile, one paragraph above, you’re projecting an opinion onto me that I don’t have:

            You’re welcome to your opinion that Biden or Harris would have been worse

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      The answer to violence or evil committed by a subset of semitic people is not antisemitism.

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          I’m so fucking sick of people not understanding what the words they’re lobbing mean. Of course Palestinians are Semitic. Everyone in the Middle East with minor exceptions is. And having had Palestinian friends over the years, they aren’t against Israel existing as a concept; they’d just like some (proportion varies) of their land back and to be treated with dignity. I don’t see that as a huge ask.