The parties are not the same. One is an openly fascist party and the other is full of meek center-right neoliberals trying to keep the status quo for their wealthy donors. However neither is trying to “fix the damage” or “make it good again”, except perhaps for the top 0.001%. Most working-class people are shafted either way. If the republicans get their way, most non-whites will be deported on enslaved in prisons, women will be enslaved at home, and the remaining working-class white men will struggle to sustain themselves and their (non-working) wives and families under the christofascist dictatorship of the capital. If the democrats somehow claw back from that, there will be less abject racism and sexism but the working class will still struggle to survive in an increasingly monopolized dictatorship of the capital.
Ask yourself this question: which democrat policies from the last decade directly benefit the working class? I can name maybe 3 very compromised policies that are about 60 years behind most of the world.
To paraphrase an old meme, republicans want 100 rich white men to rule over the entire world with an iron fist; democrats want 30 of those people to be LGBTQ+ women of color.
Are democrats better? Sure, a bit better. But it’s not like just electing them will save you.
Yeah, but only if it’s no inconvenience to you and other westerners. You certainly don’t care about them enough to remember that the Democrats are all in on their wholesale extermination.
Yup, another reminder that you literally don’t consider foreigners to be human.
And how about you explain how - even if we accepted it as true - “the other choice was worse for everyone” justifies you just completely not even bothering to remember the Democrats committing genocide, or you being more concerned with the comfort of domestic Americans than with your country committing genocide?
How the fuck are you going to justify this one without straight up admitting you only care about white lives (which is the answer, of course, but I thought you’d at least try to hide your monstrous bigotry)
I don’t completely agree. One party tries to fuck everything up in order to buy up everything on the cheap, while the other party is paid to keep everything exactly as it is, so their owners don’t risk losing anything.
They’re not the same, but the leadership in both parties are traitors to the people and deserve death.
that perfectly encapsulates the lib mentality. none of them would stop what trump put in motion and some of them might make it worse, but they wouldn’t be as openly crass about it so its ok.
your only way out of fascism is dealing with the root cause, not shuffling around the figureheads.
Your party is guilty of genocide. Stop playing lucy football and pointing fingers at others. Murderers don’t get pardoned because other people committed murder.
biden literally funded concentration camps for immigrants and a genocide in gaza. he also blocked progress on unionization of key industries that would have made your working conditions that much better.
Not really. Look how they fail to stop corruption and actively participate in it. They also do their best to tank any third party left of center. They tried to primary AOC and it really looks like they’re going to split the vote for NYC mayor bc Mamdani doesn’t toe the line.
One party is disgustingly heinous but that doesn’t mean the other is good. Do I prefer one if I only have two choices? Yes. But they should both go away and take their anti-working class bs with them.
There is no change inside the DNC. It is controlled by neo-liberals who will squash any and all progressive ideals…else they would be out there fighting for them. Neo-liberals are about keeping everything the same for their corporate donors, talk about change, do nothing. This is a dead-end, zombie party.
You have to understand the backing behind these parties and how that informs how they operate. They both are largely funded by capitalists, often the same capitalists. So there are a core set of interests which they both protect. There are issues that don’t fall within that space where they can be different, some issues that affect different donors differently, and they have different strategies for managing to achieve those shared interests, but when push comes to shove they are still going to do what will be good for the capitalists and the power of the state to represent those interests.
For a narrow example from this meme: Most US presidents have presided over truly awful crimes, some actually illegal, some merely morally criminal, or perhaps criminal on the world stage but not for the US. A just society based on rule of law, as the US claims to be, would prosecute these people for their crimes, whether that be for war crimes, abuses of power, corruption, etc. Ideally while they are in power in order to stop them, but at the very least you’d think that after they leave power there ought to be more political will to go after them, if not for legal or moral reasons, at least for cynical political ones.
But they basically never do this? Why not? Because those crimes help uphold the interests of capitalists and/or the state. They are mostly part of the set of things that the parties agree on. The next president would like to be able to continue to get away with those or similar crimes, so holding the previous president accountable for their actions risks setting a precedent that would come back to bite them.
There were criminal proceedings against Trump, but they were for things that are small in the grand scheme of things. Obama didn’t go after Bush for lying to get us to go into an illegal war, or for using torture, or violating civil liberties, etc. because he was doing the same things. Trump didn’t go after Obama for any of this because… he kept doing the same things. Going back to the most famous example of this, Nixon literally did what Trump did in terms of trying to subvert the “democratic process” and Ford pardoned him.
Basically if you’re president, you can get away with whatever the hell you want as long as it’s for rich people and/or the next guy wants to be able to do the same thing.
Both parties are the same is such a lazy idea.
There’s definitely one party the accelerates the bad while another tries to fix the damage and make it good again.
Genocide denial
The parties are not the same. One is an openly fascist party and the other is full of meek center-right neoliberals trying to keep the status quo for their wealthy donors. However neither is trying to “fix the damage” or “make it good again”, except perhaps for the top 0.001%. Most working-class people are shafted either way. If the republicans get their way, most non-whites will be deported on enslaved in prisons, women will be enslaved at home, and the remaining working-class white men will struggle to sustain themselves and their (non-working) wives and families under the christofascist dictatorship of the capital. If the democrats somehow claw back from that, there will be less abject racism and sexism but the working class will still struggle to survive in an increasingly monopolized dictatorship of the capital.
Ask yourself this question: which democrat policies from the last decade directly benefit the working class? I can name maybe 3 very compromised policies that are about 60 years behind most of the world.
To paraphrase an old meme, republicans want 100 rich white men to rule over the entire world with an iron fist; democrats want 30 of those people to be LGBTQ+ women of color.
Are democrats better? Sure, a bit better. But it’s not like just electing them will save you.
Your daily reminder that western liberals don’t consider foreigners human and would happily exterminate all of Palestine without a thought.
I would love to see Palestine get full statehood and them and Ukraine join NATO to get their protection.
Yeah, but only if it’s no inconvenience to you and other westerners. You certainly don’t care about them enough to remember that the Democrats are all in on their wholesale extermination.
Or we just know that the other choice was worse for everyone.
Yeah go tell that to the Palestinians being genocided right now.
Yup, another reminder that you literally don’t consider foreigners to be human.
And how about you explain how - even if we accepted it as true - “the other choice was worse for everyone” justifies you just completely not even bothering to remember the Democrats committing genocide, or you being more concerned with the comfort of domestic Americans than with your country committing genocide?
Netanyahu wanted Trump to win and it wasn’t because he was going to start treating Palestinians better.
The situation in Ukraine and domestic affairs are much worse.
???
How the fuck are you going to justify this one without straight up admitting you only care about white lives (which is the answer, of course, but I thought you’d at least try to hide your monstrous bigotry)
Neither party is trying to fix any damage, and there was never “good” for the majority of society.
😂 don’t make me tap the sign:
been saying this for years, glad it is finally entering the discourse
Every theatre piece needs a foil, and playing the controlled opposition is the main function of the US democratic party.
I don’t completely agree. One party tries to fuck everything up in order to buy up everything on the cheap, while the other party is paid to keep everything exactly as it is, so their owners don’t risk losing anything.
They’re not the same, but the leadership in both parties are traitors to the people and deserve death.
With the obvious exception of Trump I would be happy to have any of the others as president right now.
Thank Hillary for promoting Trump.
Thank the American voters for choosing Trump over a highly qualified woman.
Highly qualified means a Cop that promised unwavering support for Israel in their struggle to fully genocide and colonize Palestine. Fuck off.
Thank that woman for sabotaging Bernie Sanders.
Bernie Sanders lost the primaries in 2016 and 2020.
Did Hillary sabotage him?
Did Americans voted for him?
Yes by getting more votes then him.
that perfectly encapsulates the lib mentality. none of them would stop what trump put in motion and some of them might make it worse, but they wouldn’t be as openly crass about it so its ok.
your only way out of fascism is dealing with the root cause, not shuffling around the figureheads.
Biden spent his entire term stopping what Trump was doing.
Question, why did Biden do this?
The better question is how is 2025 going to look because Netanyahu was very happy that Trump got the job back.
Just going to dodge the question.
Your party is guilty of genocide. Stop playing lucy football and pointing fingers at others. Murderers don’t get pardoned because other people committed murder.
There were two choices.
Biden was the much better of the two.
biden literally funded concentration camps for immigrants and a genocide in gaza. he also blocked progress on unionization of key industries that would have made your working conditions that much better.
The democrates are like the TSA. Theater.
Thinking there’sa “good” party is even lazier.
There’s one past redemption and there’s one worth saving.
Genocide apologia
Not really. Look how they fail to stop corruption and actively participate in it. They also do their best to tank any third party left of center. They tried to primary AOC and it really looks like they’re going to split the vote for NYC mayor bc Mamdani doesn’t toe the line.
One party is disgustingly heinous but that doesn’t mean the other is good. Do I prefer one if I only have two choices? Yes. But they should both go away and take their anti-working class bs with them.
No, we need a real working class party that actually fights for actual change.
PSL!
We need to be realistic about how we’re going to make change happen quickly and unfortunately that’s not it.
Change is impossible under the DNC, if you aren’t going to support a third party, then sounds like you need to join the revolutionaries.
There is no change inside the DNC. It is controlled by neo-liberals who will squash any and all progressive ideals…else they would be out there fighting for them. Neo-liberals are about keeping everything the same for their corporate donors, talk about change, do nothing. This is a dead-end, zombie party.
📺 Why the Democratic Party CANNOT and WILL NOT be Reformed: Democrats would rather lose to a Republican, to a conservative, to a fascist, to Trump, than address the material conditions of the American people.
You have to understand the backing behind these parties and how that informs how they operate. They both are largely funded by capitalists, often the same capitalists. So there are a core set of interests which they both protect. There are issues that don’t fall within that space where they can be different, some issues that affect different donors differently, and they have different strategies for managing to achieve those shared interests, but when push comes to shove they are still going to do what will be good for the capitalists and the power of the state to represent those interests.
For a narrow example from this meme: Most US presidents have presided over truly awful crimes, some actually illegal, some merely morally criminal, or perhaps criminal on the world stage but not for the US. A just society based on rule of law, as the US claims to be, would prosecute these people for their crimes, whether that be for war crimes, abuses of power, corruption, etc. Ideally while they are in power in order to stop them, but at the very least you’d think that after they leave power there ought to be more political will to go after them, if not for legal or moral reasons, at least for cynical political ones.
But they basically never do this? Why not? Because those crimes help uphold the interests of capitalists and/or the state. They are mostly part of the set of things that the parties agree on. The next president would like to be able to continue to get away with those or similar crimes, so holding the previous president accountable for their actions risks setting a precedent that would come back to bite them.
There were criminal proceedings against Trump, but they were for things that are small in the grand scheme of things. Obama didn’t go after Bush for lying to get us to go into an illegal war, or for using torture, or violating civil liberties, etc. because he was doing the same things. Trump didn’t go after Obama for any of this because… he kept doing the same things. Going back to the most famous example of this, Nixon literally did what Trump did in terms of trying to subvert the “democratic process” and Ford pardoned him.
Basically if you’re president, you can get away with whatever the hell you want as long as it’s for rich people and/or the next guy wants to be able to do the same thing.