Apparently they’re scrambling in the wild house, meeting with lauren bobert in the situation room etc.
I think it just has become far more likely that trump himself had Epstein killed…
TLDR: No.
Looking at conservative responses online, in the news, and from real people, they don’t seem to care about these emails. I’ve seen explanations that Democrats selectively blacked out names and words to make Trump look bad, that the emails are entirely faked, or that the emails actually are good for Trump because they prove that he was only aware of Epstein’s crimes but didn’t partake in them. This last explanation usually includes talk about how Trump was an undercover operative that brought down Epstein (but he doesn’t want to brag about it for some unknown reason) or that he obviously couldn’t report his suspicions of crime occurring since he didn’t have hard proof (you can definitely report crimes without giving evidence).
I think if an email was released that explicitly said Trump committed crimes, they would say the email was a fake that was planted by Democrats during Biden’s term. If photos or videos of the crimes were released, they would say they are AI generated. If Trump himself said he did it, they would say that it wasn’t actually that bad because of some reason or another. Idk what the specific excuses would be, but I know that a lot of Trump supporters would buy them while simultaneously believing the evidence when it pertains to people who are not Trump. I think there may even be many that know the excuses are lies, but they refuse to turn on Trump because it means they would have to accept that they spent the past decade publicly supporting a bad person.
Don’t get me wrong, there will definitely be conservatives that break from Trump with each new scandal that comes, but what are they actually able to do about it? Trump runs the organizations that would be in charge of investigating him, so it is unlikely that any legal action would happen unless he is impeached. Republicans could call their representatives and say they will vote them out of office if they don’t impeach Trump. The representatives likely will not listen because they know that at this point, Republican voters will never vote for a Democrat.
I think it is possible (but unlikely) that Trump could lose much of his base’s support, but I personally don’t think there will ever be a grand fall from power or punishment for misdeeds. I’d love to be proven wrong, but I think the best we might get is that a decade after Trump has died, some conservatives will feel comfortable enough to say that he may have done some bad things.
No. All rightists live in a reality distortion bubble. They are thoroughly brainwashed cultists and nothing will ever change their minds.
Trump might not ‘fall’, but Reagan’s myth of America being that ‘shining city on a hill’ has fallen in its place. It has absolutely been exposed as complete bullshit. The same is true with regard to the likes of Musk Bezos Zuckerberg Wall Street et al, remaining at large and thriving but at the expense of a belief in capitalism.
It is hard to overcome childhood programming so it takes a while for citizens to realise. I spent a couple of months in Russia quite a while ago. I remember being told “We know our society is corrupt, you don’t know yours is.” The person that told me that was right.
I’m a Brit, the same thing has and is happening here in more or less the same way and starting at a similar time: with Thatcher’s 80’s policies that amounted to the last looting of empire, looting the remaining profitable bits of the British state itself on behalf of capital. American capital did the same thing but on a much steeper curve. We obviously display various cultural differences in response to this economic/political policy.
We even have completely credible evidence of a paedophile ring based in Westminster in the 80s that has been thoroughly brushed under the carpet. Not one mp went to Grenfell when that tower burned and children died due to avoidable issues, but they all trouped out to mourn when big ben had to be covered up for a bit due to refurbishment.
Add the abject failure of fossil-fuel-powered-[neo-liberal]-capitalism to deal with what could easily become the existential threat of climate change, and things get pretty depressing. I’m not sure when or where (as a species) we managed a fair and equitable society post-agriculture and writing. Maybe Aboriginals, or South Sea Islanders, or some of tribal Africa somewhere.
From what I’ve heard from folks outside the US, we’re way past the point of not being the shinning city on the hill. The only thing I see is that if and when the emails come out to public, the US will be so marginalized by the rest of the world that doing business with them will almost be the equivalent as doing business with North Korea (not counting trade embargos), that people will not really care as much anymore. And even if you where in the US you’d be more interested in just surviving the day than caring about the already known pedo in chief running the whitehouse will all his clouns and billionaires. The only thing that could give me joy is that if thefiles come out, the rest of the world powers could make trade embargos with the US and any billionaire that has financial or political ties with the US (specially including tech companies) so those billionaires would either jump ship and line up with the tax laws of the rest of the world or sink with the rest of the us economy.
Heavy rant over
Wow you really were gonna get that out regardless of the post topic, weren’t you?
Let them cook
It was a perfectly reasonable response.
Maybe you haven’t noticed, but when a person does not like facts that match the reality they have (co-)constructed they must reject the fact. When they can’t do that they seek to diminish the fact by attacking the messenger.
This is what you have done here. It is boring and predictable.
It’s it now?
Can you honestly even claim you answered the question? You didn’t even do a complete sentence on the topic before shifting into a diatribe against capitalism.
absolutely not. it can’t be used in any type of court for anything in particular. nobody’s going to go after him for anything in there.
it’s just optics. and how much worse could the guy’s optics possibly be? what difference does it make?
lol no
NOBODY is gonna punish trump for you except yourselves.
I am no US-american, but I agree
He won’t “fall” until his supporters stop supporting him.
To be clear, his supporters voted for him in 2024 even though he was already a convicted felon, adjudicated rapist, and insurrectionist.
They will not care if they find out he fucked children.
Here is their response:
But Biden …(insert dumbest conspiracy you’ve ever heard)
Biden did a lot of things worth criticising , it’s wild u.s. patriots latch onto like, biting a babies leg on halloween
But Biden fucked children in the basement of that pizza place that didn’t have a basement
If you’re old enough to remember the panama papers and how less than a handful of wrong doers had to face their consequences, you can basically expcet a rerun. The entire ruling class is a criminal enterprise.
The
person who released themjournalists Daphne Caruana Galizia in 2017 and Ján Kuciak in 2018 due to their investigations ended up being assassinated
Much more likely Republicans will legalize child sex.
It beats the mines.
Let’s see…
Dodged not one but two impeachments which should’ve done it for him. Is an active felon, hasn’t served jail-time. Allowed over 350,000 Americans to die to a pandemic that was horribly mishandled because of him.
If neither of those things have done him in, which should have for anyone else, the rotten piece of shit is going to die comfortably. He’ll be able to leave office peacefully, if that’s assured, without serving any repercussions for anything he’s done during his first term and second term.
What a fucking pathetic world and country.
The only thing that will take him down is a blob of cholesterol being dislodged during a particularly violent fart. He is surrounded by boot lickers who will excuse him literally anything, including raping children if necessary.
Or shooting someone on fifth avenue
The issue is that anyone with a functioning prefrontal cortex has known he’s a pedophile since at least 2016, when it was released that he would regularly walk into the changing rooms at the child beauty pageants he would sponsor.
This whole controversy has really just been about desperately hoping the MAGA crowd would accept a single fact in their life if maybe it didn’t come from mainstream media. The issue that I see is that the right-wing propaganda machine has completely given up on getting the Epstein files released. They’re not gonna cover it, they’ll call it a fake news attack by the Democrats, and that’s the last thought the MAGA crowd will have on it. There was a very brief moment where they did care earlier this year, but Trump and specifically Mike Johnson have successfully delayed long enough.
the other issue is even if somehow it did break through and galvanized the MAGA base against Trump… so what? Trump has already made it abundantly clear he doesn’t give a fuck about his base, the law, rules and norms, or really anything beyond consolidating his power and acting like a king. Would that base actually go so far as to vote Democrat in the midterm elections a year from now? Would they vote Democrat in 2028, assuming we even have free and fair elections by then? would they even still remember? at the end of the day, I think they hate the mythical idea of “The Left” that they’ve been sold too much to ever actually fight alongside us, so hoping the J6 crowd would try to actually save democracy this time is absurd.
Some lessons I learned from Trump’s first term that so many people apparently did not:
- He’s not gonna learn his lesson
- Republicans are not going to swoop in and save us from what other Republicans are doing
- His supporters are fine with what he’s doing, and if they aren’t they’ll be fine with it after conservative media tells them to be fine with it
- He will not face consequences for what he’s doing
I would love to be proven wrong, but keeping these things in mind helps me to avoid unnecessary disappointment.
No. Nothing matters. He said it himself.
I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody, and I wouldn’t lose any voters, OK?
The only true thing he accidentally said.
I think he also called his supporters dumb
That’s not true.
He said smart people don’t like him.
The Boys was supposed to be an exaggeration, not an instruction manual
He would even argue they were an illegal immigrant or some other excuse that could warrant shooting someone.
Even if it was a white Christian family man they’d argue they were some illegal immigrant of some kind. The wrong kind of Christian…
“They were having Antifa thoughts. They don’t believe in God! Antifa. We have designated Antifa a terrorist organization a long time ago. Anyway, I did a good job.”
If he somehow does start getting held accountable for this, Chuck Schumer and Hakeem Jeffries will twist themselves into pretzels to somehow throw him a lifeline. And it wouldn’t even make me assume Schumer or Jeffries are in the Epstein files, I think they’re just so cowardly and worthless they’d help Trump without getting anything out of it.
No. I think it will get far less coverage than it should, will get pushed out of the news cycle early, and Trump won’t be held accountable. The only way anything happens is that someone who’s pissed off makes another assassination attempt and lands the shot this time.
