• TotallynotJessica@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    Their strategy is to give into Trump’s demands in the hopes that it prevents him from destroying their precious institutions. They hope to be able to take over from an unpopular Republican party after Trump dies without really undoing the damage he’s done. The problem with this approach is that it will prevent the system from needing to be properly rebuilt, effectively legalizing most of his abuses of power and prolonging the instability of our country. A big part of this will be institutionalizing the blatant corruption and oligarchy while further rigging elections to make it impossible for popular movements to ever legally gain power.

    A Gavin Newsom or Pete Buttigieg presidency will see them ruling as a weaker feudal king than Trump, but only to promote business activity and interests. Relying on the honeymoon period following Trump’s removal, they will position themselves as the saviors of “democracy,” yet they will do little to actually undo a lot of the election rigging that Republicans are installing right now. They will suppress workers rights and throw the most disposable minorities under the bus, deregulating and burning through all the goodwill they have. They’ll parade the corpse of liberalism around as long as fools will believe it, but it will be a cynical gesture.

    In order for actual liberal democracy to exist again in this country, the liberals would need to have shown a backbone and resist Trump no matter how much he destroys institutions. They would need to risk temporary jail time and potential assassination to invigorate long term support for a rebuilt American dream. Instead they’re showing that they never cared about liberal ideals, only the goodwill liberalism afforded their power.

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    You could’ve made this image using paint in under 5 minutes, did you really need to waste half a liter of water to have AI generate it?

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      AI-generating images takes, like, zero resources. Think about it. My computer uses very little energy. It couldn’t even heat my room if I ran it constantly (I accidentally tried by forgetting to turn on the heater). It can create an image in 20 seconds. There is no magic in AI that increases its wattage somehow. Also, I don’t know if you noticed yet, but computers don’t have a water input plug. Using a dishwasher once uses more electricity than generating thousands of images, and more water than infinite images.

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    Always remember that left and right are difficult terms: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left–right_political_spectrum

    In Germany Harris would have been conservative CDU (the most conservative/right party before the AfD turned up) and Trump would have been in the AfD. However, CDU is still fine. Nothing bad about being conservative. I disagree with most of their opinions but they are valid political opinions. AfD and Trump share political opinions that are undemocratic, dangerous and stupid.

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    Liberals call this “purity testing,” but fundamentally the democrats stand for perpetuating capitalism and imperialism. These two points of contention are irreconcilable with any leftist.

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        I agree, though I’d say there’s a difference between criticism and self-criticism with what we think of as “purity testing,” ie demonizing AES or other movements for their imperfections.

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      “purity testing” more like them gaslighting people into believing that they are left wing and getting defensive when they are proved not to be

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      Funny, I remember us ending up with Trump because the Democrat party views its own voters with abject contempt and forced an 80yo genocidal madman on the electorate twice without a legitimate primary where Barrack Obama doesn’t order anybody to drop out… but sure, it’s the voters’ fault for not liking that the DNC won’t even deign to pander to its own voters. This is a smart take that is in no way a sign of Stockholm syndrome identifying with your abuser…

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      Turns out supporting genocide makes you look bad. Someone should’ve told Biden and Copmallah.

      It’s almost as if your party doupoly consists of two fascist parties.

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    The following can all be true:

    • The Democrats are a right wing neoliberal party.
    • The Democrats are the most left-wing option that is realistically available to American voters.
    • The Democrats can be pushed further left if American progressives work to do so.
    • The Democrats - at the party level - will resist such a change, but that resistance can still be overcome.
    • In the long term, massive structural overhauls and the downfall of capitalism are the only things that will save America and the world
    • In the near term, voting consistly and enthusiastically for the least bad option can still protect vulnerable groups from harm and create changes that lay the groundwork for those structural overhauls.
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      That is their entire point. Two party system means that they can take up all space for opposition to Republicans while making their policies bipartisan.

      The Democratic party is entirely built to fight any leftward movement, it isn’t just that the progressives didn’t try. They have been trying for 80 years. It is that the entire party is structured and designed to fight that. That is the actual reason Trump could come from the outside and completely reshape the Republicans, but the Dems can form rank and resist Bernie and the progressives.

      The Democrats have shown overwhelmingly and repeatedly that they would rather lose to Republicans than move at all to the left.

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        Then primary the bad actors and reform the Democrat party.

        This is your option. There is no other option than violent revolution and I can assure you from spending my entire life in this country that modern Americans don’t have it in them.

        If conservatives can morph the Republican party into the traitorous entity it is now, then liberals can reform the Democrat party to move more to the left.

        History proves party reformation is possible, and inevitable.

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            Then explain why the entire planet is capitalist and yet other countries have FAR more left leaning parties.

            The Democrat party can be moved left if liberal voters make it happen.

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              Depends on what you’re talking about, but usually it either means they are in the global south, or have otherwise had a longer history of working class organization or proximity to socialist countries. Not by voting.

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      Point 3 is wrong. The working classes in the States are already increasingly left, while the DNC is increasingly rightward. The DNC doesn’t care about what voters want, but what their donors need. That’s why it’s critical to engage with parties like PSL.

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      While those are technically true, they are inconseuqential at best, plain wrong at worst.

      Yes, the dems could be pushed left a little over a long time in theory. But practice has shown that this is not achievable since all other material circumstances are against it.

      The “least bad” option is a communist party, absolutely not the dems.

      Voting is not going to help half as many people than going to the next soup kitchen or neighborhood meetup and organize there.

      I hate these soc dem apology posts. Biden has blood on his hands up to his shoulders.

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      I think we’re showing mixed results on your third bullet. It did seem that way, for a while, as we pushed on social issues. And when it came time to get on with the economic issues, the core management team of the party rallied, and rather than adopt the left flank to win, steps right to hand control to Republicans.

      And it’s happened more than once now, to obvious and clear effect: the goal of the Democratic party isn’t to win elections, it’s to keep the country idealogically aligned with a neoliberal ruling class. And if that means handing control of government to Republicans, they’ll do so, then blame the left (even though it’s them moving to the right losing elections).

      To the fourth bullet, no, it’s not clear that within the machinations of the party infrastructure it can be overcome. Because if not now, when? Party leadership has never been weaker or more vulnerable nor the times more desperate. Democrats as a party poll worse than Trump, yet progressives can win elections with both the entire Republican and Democratic apparatus gunning to take them down. yet somehow we can’t replace Schumer’s or Jefferies.

      Skipping to the 6th point, again, that isn’t actually borne out by the evidence. It’s not something well know in advance and only as an artifact of history. What’s been extremely clearly is that so far, voting has been wildly insufficient to make the kinds of structural changes necessary. Obama is the classic example of this. He runs on healthcare, holding wallstreet accountable, and ending the wars; he delivers corporate “access”, bails out the banks, and continues the wars. The voters did their job and the system didn’t work.

      So a relentless optimism that the system will just work as intended doesn’t seem warranted, and it’s clearly not going in a good direction.

      Until we recognize that the Democratic party, it at least it’s current and historical structure is at the core of the problem with why we can’t advance political change, its pretty clear that this decent into autocracy, fascism, and a degraded quality of life is inevitable. The Democratic party isn’t just part of the problem: it’s the core element of the problem.

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    I agree, but I also wonder if the Democratic party can be converted from the inside to change it’s focus.

    Probably not. I just winder what the best way forward is. It’s not really clear.

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          No worries! Honestly it’s designed to turn anyone from not knowing anything at all about Marxism into a capable cadre that can figure out where to go next (like Capital, Anti-Dühring, etc), but just reading section 0a is great if you just want to dip your toes in.

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        60 years ago, Democrats were creating Medicare, Medicaid, SNAP, and the Job Corps, passing civil rights, voting rights, and labor protection acts, and massively expanding investment in public housing and education. It’s only in the past 45 years things have really gone sideways

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          The DNC has always been a capitalist and imperialist party, passing social welfare programs doesn’t counter that basic fact, and as such doesn’t counter that leftists have been trying to change them into a leftist party for far longer.

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          Sure, but there is no other option. We must build up a working class party, if running them electorally doesn’t work, then it will still work when conditions falter and revolution happens.

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      I mean a conservative project to do exactly this is what transformed the Cheney era neocons into the modern day fascist party we see. So at least in principle that’s possible. but clearly the neocons were more than happy to go along with fascism. Fascism and conservativism have effectively the same goals.

      The neoliberals who faced the same kind of insurrection from within their party at the same time were unwilling to adopt progressivism and are still unwilling to adopt progressivism. The right was able to change their party into a fascist one, the left has failed to move the demo party into being a progressive party

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    Always remember that while The Democratic Party is far from perfect, this is Russian propaganda. The party and the rules it has to play by are changed by voting locally, early, and often. Spreading the voter apathy message that both parties are the same and our votes are inconsequential just gives more power to the oppressors.

    LMAO sorry, I forgot where I was. 🙄