If you don’t want to go in a bathroom with a trans person, go find a single user one. You’re the problem here. Figure it out.
TERFs when they realise the toilet in their house is gender neutral: 🤯
I believe it is still a criterion for changing gender to use the bathroom of the gender you are transitioning to for 2 years before the legal process can be satisfied. It sounds like the entire legal framework around changing gender is incompatible with requests like this.
For what it’s worth the supreme court decision simply found that someone’s sex could not be changed legally but that still shouldn’t preclude changing gender. Forbidding people from changing gender is essentially what is being asked for by these groups and society at large does not seem to have an appetite for that.
In the immediate future sex based legal protections do have the legal apparatus to trump gender based rights but it’s going to be implemented on an arbitrary, case-by-case basis. For example in the event that a trans person has a transphobic colleague of the same gender then the employer needs to provide facilities for both parties (as seen in a recent workplace dispute in Fife, Scotland). This is going to get messy where the NHS might have certain hospitals with this arbitrary need for extra facilities depending on people having the misfortune of transphobic colleagues.
This is ridiculous. If it goes into effect, the same women will complain when they see a big trans man full of tattoos in the women’s bathroom because the law has forced them to go there.
Purely and simply transphobia.
Trans men won’t be accepted either. Neither will be women with short hair.
Conform or get beaten up
That right there. I feel like when these pieces of shits hear or read about trans people, they think off a bearded guy with a wig. It’s never the other way around.
Ban the anti-trans from bathrooms? Seems like a win-win to me.
Good
Non/gendered washrooms with floor-to-ceiling stalls, cameras allowed in the handwashing areas. Problem solved.
Edit: only on Lemmy would people be more worried about bathroom throughput over shutting up assholes. 😆
Not a fan of putting up more surveillance in general, even less so in public toilets. Also what happens to the urinals in this scenario?
You either have a completely different section or just get rid of them altogether
Urinals are purely there to increase throughput and reduce cleaning time. Just get rid.
Increasing throughput and reducing cleaning time are both good things, though.
Increased throughput means less queuing and being able to quickly relieve yourself. In a shared toilet, this would benefit men and women alike.
Making cleaning quicker and easier means it’ll happen more and be less disruptive when it does happen.
But if you want to make true ungendered toilets (as was suggested) that are accessible to all, having a section where a bunch of guys all basically get their cocks out and piss in a trough kinda prevents that.
Trans women can use urinals too if they want. Not sure where you’re getting the piss trough thing from I’ve only ever seen one of those at boy scout camp 30 years ago. Most urinals are individual stalls and are great for not having to smell the horrendous dump someone just took in the toilet stalls.
Sometimes gendered stuff makes sense - like urinals. As you mentioned they’re efficient and I’d imagine a large part of why the gents toilets don’t have big queues. I’m all for trans folk using whatever toilet they want, I’m more worried about the folk who are presumably checking everyone’s genitals to make sure they’re in the correct toilet.
Just have one room full of urinals, one room full of stalls, both ungendered. So then anyone can use any facility they feel most comfortable with.
