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  • thedarkfly@feddit.nlEnglish
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    2 years ago

    It seems to have become a habit that most good things about the internet is linked to the EU. I’m really grateful. That being said, I hope that Lemmy can become a collaborative project uniting a lot of devs rather than rely on two people.

    About the scandal; as long as their opinions do not influence the platform I don’t see them as relevant to Lemmy. If they are illegal, let justice do its work.

        • tias@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
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          2 years ago

          They specifically address this in the article and say it isn’t true.

          On another topic, there are rumors circulating that we are fascists or supported genocide. These claims are completely false, and like most viral twitter threads, are coming from a single Mastodon user on a personal vendetta who didn’t provide any sources. Such slander doesn’t deserve any response and is best left ignored.

          • Enantiophobe@kbin.social
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            2 years ago

            Here is Dessalines denying that any genocide is taking place: https://lemmy.ml/comment/471382

            They can say “we don’t support genocide” all day long, but denying that any genocide is taking place and actively trying to persuade others that no genocide is happening isn’t any better.

            I argue that it unintentionally supports a genocide since they’re using a platform to (inadvertently) hide the genocide from the public by convincing others that nothing of the sort is happening.

              • Enantiophobe@kbin.social
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                2 years ago

                True. But Dessalines literally says that he agrees with people who disagree that a genocide is taking place. That is a denial. We can shuffle syntax around all day long.

            • tias@discuss.tchncs.de
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              2 years ago

              I for one do definitely believe that there is a genocide happening and I’m appalled that we can’t do more about it. But people trust in different sources of information. Not believing that a genocide is happening is not the same as actually endorsing genocide.

          • spirit@lemmy.worldEnglish
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            2 years ago

            Update 2: My conclusion

            Update: So I dug around a little deeper, and found that

            On another topic, there are rumors circulating that we are fascists or supported genocide. These claims are completely false, and like most viral twitter threads, are coming from a single Mastodon user on a personal vendetta who didn’t provide any sources. Such slander doesn’t deserve any response and is best left ignored.

            Update: More info about @dessalines@lemmy.ml

            • epicspongee [they/them or he/him]@midwest.socialEnglish
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              2 years ago

              This is so weird to me lol, maybe I’m just odd but it’s so weird seeing McCarthyism still rearing it’s ugly head after what… 5 decades? I am by no means an ML (can’t stand them as an anarchist) but this is wildly blowing out of proportion what @dessalines@lemmy.ml has said and done.

              I mean like why link a ‘Socialist FAQ’ that’s literally just a ton of links to education on socialism and the different schools of thought it has? Not all communists are tankies (not even most) lol. Just generally shows a lack of familiarity with actual leftists / anticapitalists.

              • bob@lemmy.havocperil.ukEnglish
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                2 years ago

                I think it’s more like 7 decades and I thought the same. Reds-under-the-bed is still a thing!

                • epicspongee [they/them or he/him]@midwest.socialEnglish
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                  2 years ago

                  Please stop spamming this in the thread, it’s annoying af.

                  Sometimes people just like spreading drama. Other times they just have weird or different beliefs. Accusing someone of having ulterior motives isn’t useful or helpful unless you can demonstrate that this person isn’t just having an internet debate that they feel strongly about.

                  • LoboInvernal@lemmy.ptEnglish
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                    2 years ago

                    Accusing someone of having ulterior motives isn’t useful

                    @spirit is making claims out of his ass though and taking lots of upvotes. I don’t agree with spamming but there is no proof the reddit user is Dessalines.

            • CriticalResist8@lemmygrad.mlEnglish
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              2 years ago

              another mod said that @muad_dibber@lemmygrad.ml is funded by the NED. Source: https://archive.is/G5Dh7

              lmao you actually believe that us joking around that we’re being funded by the NED is evidence that muad’dibber is funded by them?

              For your information the NED is a CIA front created by an Act of Congress, it’s a tool of regime change established after the CIA lost their capabilities to simply go change presidents in other countries in the 60s-70s.

              The running joke on Lemmygrad is that we’re all feds. You’re wayyy out of your depth lol

              • DudePluto@lemmy.worldEnglish
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                2 years ago

                I mean regardless of the devs’ opinions they are forwarding the democratization of information by working on this project

                • DreamerOfImprobableDreams@kbin.social
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                  2 years ago

                  Yeah, honestly, these NED guys seem really cool based on the wikipedia article. It’s nice to find out my tax dollars are actually supporting something positive every now and again :)

            • MrFlamey@lemmy.worldEnglish
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              2 years ago

              It’s definitely good to have people like you investigating the backgrounds of key developers, as there might be ulterior motives behind them developing open platforms that compete with established Western companies outside of loving the free web and open source. Thank you!

              However, I wonder how many opinions we disagree with would be unearthed by doing this kind of research on every core developer of Chrome, Windows, MacOS, Google or whatever. I think you would find a lot if you get people to air their honest opinions. In today’s climate, if these people were open about certain opinions they might hold (not saying they do, but statistically it’s likely some do) they would just be fired, so it’s easy for large corporations to shake damage to their reputation from having certain staff members. For OSS it is a bit harder, since although developers can be pushed out, and software can be forked, it’s all open and it’s harder to understate the contribution to the source code etc. that such a person could have contributed.

              It does kind of suck when you hear that developers working on software you like have wildly different worldviews to your own, but sometimes you have to put things in perspective. Having said that, if this guy is the only developer I might feel less than happy about using Lemmy instead of Reddit.

              • Otakeb@lemmy.worldEnglish
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                2 years ago

                Personally, I’d rather my open source, decentralized software be developed by a nearly fanatical communist than a slimy entrepreneur/capitalist. Either could try to pull the rug out from under you, but at least one is internally consistent until then…

                • WolfBearSheep67@lemmy.worldEnglish
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                  2 years ago

                  I’d rather have open source, decentralized software be developed by none of those groups/slimy individual. Doesn’t have to be mutually exclusive.

                • xzite@lemmy.worldEnglish
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                  2 years ago

                  but at least one is internally consistent until then…

                  Having to do the mental gymnastics required to make China not commit genocide does not suggest internal consistency…

              • A_A@lemmy.worldEnglish
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                2 years ago

                You mean to say : except for that excellent comment you replied to ?

                • Snowpix@yiffit.netEnglish
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                  2 years ago

                  I’m referring to the comments section on the post he linked to, where half the comments are tankies trying to defend the actions of the admins who were banning users and calling them racist for criticizing the CCP/Kremlin.

                • Nadya@kbin.social
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                  2 years ago

                  Since you didn’t notice that in that post /u/parentis_shotgun claims to have made Jerboa and links to it - which links to github.com/dessalines/jerboa - you’re not very observant so I’ll provide you with some alternative posts as evidence.

                  Step 1) Visit /u/parentis_shotgun’s profile

                  Step 2) Old PgDn to load some posts. Find the one that says nothing but “Yes” on it. This post specifically.

                  Step 3) Click Context to see which question it is answering

                  Step 4) Read the question: “Wait a second, are you the same dessalines that narrated my The State and Revolution by Lenin and Fascism: What it is and how to fight it by Trotsky?”

                  Step 5) See /u/parentis_shotgun’s response: “Yes.”

                  “Misinformation”.

                  Ask yourself: What exactly do you get out of defending Tankies?

                  Alternative route #1: Find parentis_shotgun’s post about creating thumb-key - a privacy-conscious Android keyboard made for your thumbs. Notice it links to a Github profile for dessalines.

                  Alternative route #2: Find this post where they keep their “communist 101s” on dessalines.github.io/essays/

            • kestrel7@kbin.social
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              2 years ago

              I believe those people saying lemmy is funded by the National Endowment for Democracy were being sarcastic. Thanks for rounding this up though, I appreciate people who do the due diligence.

            • iturnedintoanewt@lemmy.worldEnglish
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              2 years ago

              Wow…thanks. I had no idea this was ongoing. As someone living in Asia and seeing these issues from up close, these ring close to home. I’ll be paying attention for any of these…moderations.

            • rainfern@lemmy.worldEnglish
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              2 years ago

              You leave reddit because the ceo introduces shitty pricing but you don’t mind the main devs being literal fascists?

              • Defaced@lemmy.worldEnglish
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                2 years ago

                The beauty of federated networks is you can avoid the platforms with these kinds of people altogether. I typically avoid lemmy.ml altogether unless I don’t have a choice and even then it’s pretty easily to find alternatives.

              • Rick@lemmy.worldEnglish
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                2 years ago

                The project is open source and anyone can create instances, that’s why its irrelevant.

                • rainfern@lemmy.worldEnglish
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                  2 years ago

                  The way it works in practice is that the largest instances are where most people go. What is stopping those devs from imposing their views on the community, e.g. by censoring?

                  • Rick@lemmy.worldEnglish
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                    2 years ago

                    If that happens word gets out and people switch and currently the instances ran by the OG tankies are actively trying to dissuade people from joining.

            • raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.worldEnglish
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              2 years ago

              I saw someone else did a bit of research deeper down in the thread. It seems it’s questionable but they at least “only” control like two federated instances, lemmy.world not being one of them. Of course, still not good to have someone like that in the dev team :/

                • raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.worldEnglish
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                  2 years ago

                  yeah. not good at all, I’m not comfortable with it. I don’t understand people who have access to information on the internet and deny anything obvious, no matter whether it’s flat earthers, genocide deniers or ufo believers. how can a brain be this disfunctional?