• grue@lemmy.worldEnglish
    1208·
    6 months ago

    Do you want a fascist dicatorship? 'Cause letting assholes be dangerously wrong without pushback is how you get a fascist dictatorship.

    • abrinael@lemmy.world
      822·
      6 months ago

      I have MAGA family members and it’s not just 1+1=5. It’s a word-vomit tsunami of absolute bullshit. And if you convince them that point 1/367 is not factual, they won’t accept that it disqualifies anything else (including the idea that he never tells lies), and you will have to re-prove that point 1/367 is not factual a few weeks later. It’s exhausting, and I’m fairly sure that is the point (and I’m fairly sure this is also an actual Russian propaganda technique called a “firehose of falsehoods”, regardless of whether it’s being used in that context).

      • grue@lemmy.worldEnglish
        291·
        6 months ago

        That’s when it’s time to shame, ridicule, ostracize, and exile. People like that do not deserve the benefits of living in a society.

        • Facebones@reddthat.com
          262·
          6 months ago

          Thats our national issue, democrats care far less about the fascist vomit of the right than they do being polite, “understanding,” and “reaching across the aisle.”

          J6ers tried to overtake the govt, hang em for treason. If their backers violently rise up, take em out too. Problem solved. Instead, dems make excuses for Republicans every day, say they can’t do anything about anything, then push a bunch of policies to further snuff out the left instead.

          • crusa187@lemmy.ml
            11·
            6 months ago

            Democratic politicians feel this way because they are mostly friends with their colleagues across the aisle. They all eat at the same luncheons together, hang out at the same establishments in DC, attend the same fundraisers and lobbying events.

            I think the voters tend to have a different point of view from those in DC. Consider that even Republican lawmakers were running for their life on Jan6. Dem voters are growing fatigued with the constant gaslighting from the establishment politicians, and hopefully soon might provide cause for their “elected representatives” to flee as well. At this point we’ve been left with painfully few alternatives.

            Lastly just want to say I do agree with full treason charges for anyone involved with Jan6. Obstruction was a laughable wrist slap, this is far too serious for such measures. The rioters kind of had the right idea but for literally all of the wrong reasons. It’s tea party republicans all over again (which was funded by Koch bros of course). Instead of addressing this in a serious manner, Dems considered doing nothing at all for 2 years before they finally started bringing the wrong charges. Pathetic.

          • someguy3@lemmy.world
            7·
            6 months ago

            They reach across the aisle because they basically never have control of Congress. Dems need all 3 (presidency, house of reps, and Senate) to pass anything. When they don’t have all 3, they have to reach across the aisle to pass anything. So guess how long they’ve had all 3? They’ve had it for 4 years of the last 24 years.

            And if they didn’t reach across, guess what happens. The GOP shuts down the government like they did to Obama.

            So what can you do move things left? Give Dems consistent and overwhelming victories in all 3 houses.

            • Facebones@reddthat.com
              42·
              6 months ago

              Rewarding them for moving further right hasn’t worked for decades, but surely it will this time!

              There’s a reason they cant pull the votes to get all 3, turns out the people voting for Republicans aren’t going to switch parties cause dems chase after them year after year abandoning anyone left of mid right establishment dems.

              • someguy3@lemmy.world
                3·
                6 months ago

                Everytime the Dems lose, they go to the center to find votes. And they find them! That’s how Bill Clinton won, he went to the center (some say right, whatever). Gore went a little left and then lost. So Obama learned to not run left and instead ran on broad “hope”. His reward for passing the ACA was losing Congress for his last 6 years. Thanks voters. Clinton went a little left on climate change, supposedly the important issue for the left, and lost. So Biden learned to not run left, and he won!

                Every time the Dems go left they lose. So they go to the center to find voters and they find them. And you wonder why they go to the center?

                • Facebones@reddthat.com
                  5·
                  6 months ago

                  Every time the Dems go left they lose

                  I’m sure it has nothing to do with immediately abandoning those talking points once they’re elected. A single Republican gripes and “well there’s nothing we can do we’re just doing their thing now. Sucks to suck 🤷‍♂️”

                  Of course, as illustrated here they’re happy to blame the left though even though their entire thing is “fuck the left.” whether its outright like it is right now, or the passive “WE’LL TOTALLY DO LEFT STUFF GUYS JUST VOTE FOR US…whoops sorry someone said no so we’re conservatives now”

      • mrgreyeyes@feddit.nl
        15·
        6 months ago

        Engineer: “If speed == slow, do nose down”

        QA engineer: “But what if the not redundant sensor if faulty?”

        Engineer: “Good is good enough, I have more to do and deadlines to catch”

        QA engineer: “You’re absolutely correct, ENJOY!”

        • Senal@programming.devEnglish
          7·
          6 months ago

          Your missing the part in the middle where you spend 6 months telling them in no uncertain terms that the thing they are asking is stupid and will not work properly/safely.

          Various back and forth emails, a completely “justified” performance review program because of your “falling standards” and several meetings with various managers at different levels of “importance”.

          Also the “You’re absolutely correct, ENJOY” is written at the bottom of your resignation letter or told to them directly in your “redundancy” exit interview.

  • lugal@sopuli.xyz
    243·
    6 months ago

    But 1+1 is 5. I’m sick and tried of people pretending 1+1=1. The sum is always bigger than each of their addends. How do people not get that

  • e$tGyr#J2pqM8v@feddit.nl
    161·
    6 months ago

    Are arguments really that bad? I think this is a rather cynical point of view. I don’t want to reach this stage.

    • Soulcreator@lemmy.world
      17·
      6 months ago

      Friendly debates can be a healthy thing. Angry, heated, bitter arguments? Yeah, I’d argue they aren’t too great for your mental health.

      • e$tGyr#J2pqM8v@feddit.nl
        1·
        6 months ago

        That’s true, but if you’re letting it get to angry heated bitter arguments, that’s at least partly your fault. With an open mind and a friendly attitude you can mostly avoid those.

    • SinJab0n@mujico.org
      7·
      6 months ago

      When the usual response to lets say… climate change, is nothing more than shouting how u r a commie (which yes, i am one), spreading goverment lies, and how the vaccines r gonna give their child autism…

      I just don’t waste my energy in something so futile, its their religion. And a confrontation about BELIEFS (at least for them) is gonna end up no where.

      So yeah, its just understanding how sometimes its better to only see them with disgust and walk away.

      • e$tGyr#J2pqM8v@feddit.nl
        3·
        6 months ago

        wow that’s bleak. Very few people around me share my political beliefs, but they certainly don’t disgust me. One of my colleagues beliefs every conspiracy in the book, she’s at the total other end of the spectrum when it comes to most arguments, but I’ve also noticed that she is the sweetest nurse I know, treating patients with empathy and compassion. Rather than coming to the point where you avoid arguments, I think people should develop the ability to have differences of opinion without being revolted by the other. An opinion doesn’t define who or what someone is in the slightest.

        • SinJab0n@mujico.org
          3·
          6 months ago

          Maybe u r right, im gonna try to be friends next time i see a white supremacist, its not like that kind of ideologies can and already have taken lives.

          Edit to add pizzagate since theres dead pleople thx to that stupidity, and antivaxxers in general since not only they kill themselfs, but also anyone around them, especially their kids, etc, etc, etc. Even those Th3 EaRtH 1S fiAt DuD3 have been killing themselfs.

  • Swarfega@lemm.eeEnglish
    71·
    6 months ago

    I’ve always been like this. Sadly my wife finds controversy at every turn and I get dragged in.

  • Letstakealook@lemm.ee
    41·
    6 months ago

    I really like this and will embrace it going forward. I have nothing to gain by engaging with nonsense.