And from the glowing reviews it’s clear that
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W11 doesn’t actually need a new PC to run and the limitations are completely artificial
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For many people, a ten years old PC is fast enough (or even faster than a brand new Intel N100 PC that is officially W11 compatible). They won’t even notice that’s something from 2015, as long it has a shiny new case, enough RAM and SSD
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Amazon doesn’t care that the PC comes with pirated software, or that someone is scamming their customers, as long they get their 15% cut from marketplace sales (the cost of a genuine license of W11 pro and office exceeds the price of those ewaste specials)
It’s not actually eWaste you can buy a TPM chip for it, or ya know Linux.
Windows 11 doesn’t actually need the tpm. They just check: “oh it’s Intel 6th gen, it’s trash from the last decade, sorry incompatible ewaste, buy a new one”
Intel 6th gen + tpm chip = still “incompatible”
Their marketing told us the lie “it needs tpm and secure boot” but they actually check if it has introduced to the market after 2018 or not
In those units the scammer patched the install image to install without the check. Who buys this will get a surprise when in the next months the next update comes out and refuse to install (25h1?)
Yes it does need a tpm
Anything else isn’t supported by Microsoft. You really don’t want to screw around since you need security updates from Microsoft.
Ok read the documentation: https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/design/minimum/supported/windows-11-24h2-supported-intel-processors
Where does it say that you can use a 6th gen Intel CPU if you install a tpm chip?
The tpm is definitely not used as you can install it on a supported system, then go to the bios, disable secure boot and tpm and it still works (if the automatic “ransomware” bitlocker encryption didn’t start)
Did you read the link you posted? It says you must have Intel 8th gen or higher AND tpm 2.0
Not just tpm 2.0
Just block W11 updates entirely.
https://www.sordum.org/9470/windows-update-blocker-v1-8/
It’s mostly bullshit that one absolutely needs the latest Windows updates; if you use uBlock Origin in your browser and don’t download/run random .EXE/.MSI shit from the internet you’ll be fine. Keep Windows Defender up to date once a month just in case as well.
But really the best option is to switch to Linux.
Yeah… No. Update your software.
This.
Also, upgrade to Linux.
No.
They weren’t asking
There is a lot of misinformation regarding the security of older OSes.
There are some people online fabricating videos of older Windows (moslty XP and 7) “getting hacked in 5 minutes by idling”, with one of these videos even clearly having a web browser open in the taskbar with the title “virus download”. And when it is pointed out that this doesn’t happen, they get defensive that it will if you are raw connected to the internet. But pretty much everyone owns a modern router that would block direct connections by default, and most ISPs gift one even.
I have a Windows Vista VM that I use to play period correct and older games, even online. ClamWin is installed, OS is fully updated via LegacyUpdate and a modern browser (r3dfox) is used. There is nothing wrong with it despite hours of use, and I can keep playing with the huge nostalgia bonus of having the VMWare graphics overhead match pretty spot on the performance of a mid-range PC of the time on my hardware.
I will never let go of the 2010s
On the other hand, there were some exploits without user interaction even in the last few months.
But indeed it you expose all the ports to internet (not just connect under nat) windows XP, you gonna get infected by blaster within 5 minutes
Thank you.
If you’ve ensured your home network’s firewall is sane first, there’s no big issue.
If you dual-boot to Windows occasionally to run that one stupid program that can’t run under Linux, and you aren’t downloading stuff willy-nilly from the wild internet, and you haven’t previously installed all sorts of dodgy call-home programs, you can still be safe running while you’re in Windows. Hell, I have a Windows 7 box that runs just fine from my home network to the internet, thankyouverymuch. I even download stuff from there gasp, but I check the files first! Imagine that.
Most people aren’t knowledgeable enough to maintain proper security however so I guess I should just stop commenting on posts like this, as I always get flak from people stating it’s impossible to run an OS more than 2 weeks old on the Internet without being instantly hacked :p.
But still… as others say, I totally agree – move to Linux if you can.
I’ve formatted and installed W11 on dozens of computers and never had it fail once. My gaming rig is an Optiplex from 2014, runs 11 just fine.
Don’t do that
If anything run the long term support version of Windows 10
Switch to Linux and keep using your current computer. Tell Microsoft to pound sand.
I dont think the people buying these even know what linux is.
Very possible.
I keep repeating this, my i5 750 (2009 pc), oc at 3.6ghz can do any fucking thing most people do with their computer. With a 1060 gpu, It plays like 90% of the games , I’ve made pro audio and video projects on it, even a small vr game.
Yeah no, calling cap on that.
It’ll run most indies and triple A game from 6-7y ago.
It’ll be a real bottle neck for recent games. And especially for the only game that truly matters, rimworld.
I am running an n150 on a secondary mini pc. On paper it’s twice as fast as your cpu. It drives me crazy how slow it can be at times when running multiple tabs or apps at the same time. You’re delusional if you think your cpu is still up to snuff in 2025
I think people tend to forget that the vast majority of people don’t even play games on their computer. Like when I mention this computer, I always get “Nah, this wont play Elden Ring at 4k 120 fps, just throw it to the garbage”. But my parents, sisters, most of my friends dont give a damn about gaming. And this computer is definitely fast enough for all my personal gaming needs.
Another thing, is that gaming streaming services are now super efficient. I could literally play Doom the Dark Age at 1080p on Xbox Game pass with this PC, and I sometimes subscribe to PS+ to play Playstation exclusives.
I still doubt it would be a pleasant experience. I only do office type work on the n150 device. It’s still laggy AF compared to any modern mid-range cpu. (eg my i5 (?) 8600 at home, which is also already of respectable age, is a lot smoother for non-gaming use.)
But I guess your point (partially) stands, Johnny granddad won’t notice when he checks the news and weather in the morning.
I suspect it’s all the OS bullshit that makes you experience laggy. Obviously having an SSD and 8gb ram is essential. I made a super light install of Win 10 on my i5 750, years ago, and any office works is still 100% smooth on it. Even editing and mixing audio is not much different than on my M1 Max, I still open some old projects from time to time. I teach computer science in an audio engineering program, and I’m convinced that in the field of audio, we won the battle of computing power a very long time ago. On the other hand, for video processing, game engines, etc. it’s another story. But in the field of sound, power gains are marginal these days.
I ran Ubuntu and arch on it. The lag is noticeable even in Firefox with just 5-6 tabs open. 8GB ram and an ssd. Open multiple apps and it becomes very very noticeable.
Audio, sure, I have no experience with that, no argument from me there.
But you claimed your vintage cpu is enough for most people. Most people ain’t audio engineers. Most people would immediately notice a smoothness difference between an m1 max and your vintage cpu. There is no way you don’t notice a difference in (non audio maybe) regular browsing (not just one tab, but many) and multitasking, stop lying to win a useless internet argument.
Dude, you’re the one who wants to win an argument here. I use both computer daily. I also have an Amd 5950x, an i7 6700, a 2012 MB pro at my studio that I use a couple of times week. I’m not exactly a computer illeterate, it’s part of my job to work on different systems I don’t do a ton of multitasking on the i5, no need for 42 tabs open on a media and gaming system lol, but I can assure you if there’s any lag on firefox with a few tabs open and an office suite running, it’s not enough to bother the vast majority of people. Seriously I cant count the number of times I’ve add this discussions with “gamers” that believe they know everything about computers because they play AAA and upgrade their gpus every 2 years. I’m should really do a freaking video of my i5 doing the normal stuff people do and playing a few games, just so I can stop having this discussion lol. In the end, I dont care if you dont believe me, but you really should work on optimizing your system if you can’t do normal stuff on it. Btw, if a computer is good enough for pro audio, it’s good enough for browsing and office work lol.
Fr. I have an OCd 2500k and it was a bottleneck many years ago. Pre Sandy CPUs… Not a chance it’s not a bottleneck.
Yeah, same. That was my first major PC build and it hit its threshold. I used the hell out of it for nearly 6 years, but no way it’s playing new games with a 1060.
Has mentioned, I just finished It takes 2 with my nephew. Might subscribe to Gamepass to try Doom The Dark Age. Not everyone needs 4k or competition performance.
if it’s anything like the Pentium g4560 it can absolutely play games, just not necessarily at good framerates nor AVX so star citizen is completely unrunnable. also Linux compile times suck
I didn’t say you can’t game on it. You just can’t claim it can keep up with modern cpus.
It should be able to run a pretty good sized factory in Factorio. Easily fast enough to compile CDDA.
Oh no, can’t play what ever some AAA studio shat out last week, how ever will I cope…
Serious question, why haven’t you upgraded to an i7 yet? They’d have to be super cheap at this point, right?
I mean, it’s not my work PC anymore, but this one has been my main entertainment system for years now. I really don’t need to upgrade and create e-waste to gain a little bit of performance. I haven’t even installed Linux on it yet, still on win 10, but that will make it even faster. It’s my firm belief that like 80% of the people would be fine with 15+ years old computers.
My newest computer is 5 years old. I see no reason to upgrade anything.
I use my 11 year old laptop with Linux mint on it as well. I maxed out the RAM on it and swapped in a Sata SSD, it boots in under 40 seconds and does everything I need it to do. It’s one of those cheap underpowered Celeron processors as well.
Id still be using my clamshell iBook if it worked and supported a modern-ish browser.
My eeePC only got sidelined because 4gb of ram is now too little for kubuntu releases. (I was going to install Debian, but after 30 min on it’s SLOW SSD it failed and I haven’t tried again) And I had issues with the screen resolution being too low for the smallest settings window before.
Wasn’t a lot of benefits from the i7 back then, the 750 was still quad core, decent specs.
The I7 has hyper threading which is a ~50% perf boost over the i5
I used to have that CPU, but found it absolutely dying on it’s arse for VR Chat (which is notoriously badly optimised). I got a i5-8400 instead, which is about twice as fast for single threaded work (which is still the main bottleneck for most games). Your overclock would take it a decent amount of the way there, but most people aren’t going to do that, and it was getting a bit iffy even when I replaced it. Runs hot as well, I expect.
Since then they’ve got about twice as fast again. You don’t have to spend a lot on them to get that either. A Ryzen 9600X will have me set for the next 15 years (assuming they don’t ditch x86 CPUs altogether). AMD being competitive again has down wonders for performance boosts. Motherboards seem a lot more expensive these days though.
It’s only the AM5 mobos, you can still get very cheap AM4 mobos, even with PBO (performance boost overdrive, huuuuge performance boost for me at least). The new AM5 mobos are like 200 bucks WTF? Aaaand they have shit audio 😭
I had a very similar PC. I think maybe slightly better. I ended up upgrading because the CPU was becoming more and more of a bottleneck. The roar was Elden Ring. The fps wouldn’t go past about 20. Also some gaves are now being compiled against x64 v3 instructions (like Hell Divers 2 and Death Stranding) which there’s literally no way of running on an old CPU since it doesn’t have the instructions for it.
Generally agree but also consider power usage. Of course it also depends how often its powered on or not. If its used a lot then buying newer hardware may well be cheaper just in the energy saved, though if its off most of the time then its less of a concern.
From a personal finance perspective, you need to consider the price of the new machine and the difference in the energy bill for the average time you would still be using your current machine until it doesn’t work anymore.
From a sustainability perspective, you also need to consider the manufacturing impacts of the new machine in all the production chain and the energy used in that process (this is a concept called emergy). Maybe also the disposal process of the current one, if that’s the case.
Energy to produce should already be represented in the price. Though pollution probably won’t be.
It should, but when production is outsourced to different countries, with different regulations and with different currencies things get messy. Even worse when there’s corruption involved along the chain.
I dont think that GPU could handle any game in the past 5-10 years though. So 90% of games doesn’t seem right.
1060 is probably more powerful than the steam deck and that things run almost everything. You don’t have to play at 4k/ultra.
I don’t play online games, but otherwise I have a library of 200+ games and they all work fine so far. At 1080p, sometimes I put it at 720p to get higher fps.
Lately, I’ve been playing It takes 2, Little Nightmare 2, Fallout 4, Hades, Sable, Doom 2016 among others, no issues.
In all fairness, those are all very well optimized, compared to today’s complete and utter bullsh*t… A 1060 is Dldefinitely not E-waste though!!
Lol the 3gb 1060s kinda were ewaste tho
Those are newer than the CPU I’m typing this on, they’re not waste
They dont officially support windows 11 and the avg users are not going to know any better. It’s a grey area scam. They’re not worth $400 at all.
But 1000% not waste to a tech person. My oldest machines right now we’re decommissioned workstations with 8th gen i5s that I used for seedbox, DNS/pihole, proxmox, etc. they won’t get windows installed and I’ll drive them til they literally die. Backed up with veaam to a second truenas, easily swapped out and back up and running with any failure. I love older tech because it’s cheap and as long as you know what you’re doing, it works well.
Core i7-6700 with 32 gb ram isn’t worth $400? Daymn, I’m due to upgrade then
Lookup prices of ddr4, dirt cheap.
It’s Amazon. Of course it’s a scam. I always tell elderly people it’s a criminal enterprise scamming old people when they ask about it.
Those aren’t eWaste. Those are Mint machines.
Not worth hundreds though
… a ten years old PC is…
… that’s something from 2015, …
Oh my! 2015 was 10 years ago?
Aa of July 1st we’re closer to 2050 than 2000
Edit: 2020 -> 2000, derp
Hahah. I think you should double check your sources. As far as I know 5 years is less than 25
To be fair, the year 2020 was a very long couple of decades.
As a mathematician i can sure you that 5, as you have assumed, is indeed less than 25.
If you’re a mathematician how can you be dissing 5 like that?
Less than? Hell no.
5 is soo much more and soo many things that 25 isn’t and never will be.
Without 5 you wouldn’t even have 25. Some might even say that 5 is the root of 25. Show some respect for the roots.
Not only is 5 a beautiful prime number, it’s also the perfect number for a geometric shape. Everyone knows what a pentagon looks like. The Pentagon even named their institution as that. They didn’t name it after 25. Who the hell has ever heard of the icosikaiopentagon? Nobody, that’s who.
Look at the American flag. It has 50 stars. Guess which shape they have? That’s right, each of the 50 states have stars with 5 points. Exactly 0 of them chose to have a 25 pointed star.
You know what a bad number is? Yes: 25.
25 is a shitty composite number. It’s shitty because it’s not even good at being a composite number; having only a measly 3 factors: One, itself and 5 (of all things, duh…)
That’s because it’s square and boring. Does it even look square to you? This uneven 25 is supposedly a square. I never made a square of 25 things. What’s the fucking point in that? If I had to make a square for any purpose whatsoever, I’d definitely chose a better number with many more factors, so I could actually use the squaredness to divide things and mark mid points and what not. 4 is a square. 16 is a square. They’re so much better at being square than 25, because you can cut them in half and make a grid with a midpoint.
So, yeah yeah, there are probably other numbers out there greater than 5, but it sure as fuck is not 25.
Nice mental gymnastics, but if 5 is so good, how come five five’s is so bad? Who cares about the pentagon? The broad use of 5 everywhere just shows how its a banal number, how worthless it is. Now 25 is reserved for much greater things, any toddler knows it shouldnt be overused.
You sure about that? Maybe you meant 2000 not 2020? Regardless, not sure how to feel about that…
Meanwhile I am waiting to buy a good “unsupported by Windows 11” PC cheap this October.
Same. Should be rock bottom prices.
This is so wrong
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Windows 11 requires 8th gen Intel or newer. You can bypass it but you lose official support and more importantly things will break down the line.
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Those listing are not what I would call “full price”
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You can buy a old 8th gen Intel system off of eBay for less than 100€
Yeah, those are basically Mini PC prices. The CPU alone used to cost more than that.
The specs look perfectly adequate (I’m still running very similar for daily use), and 1TB SSD and 32GB RAM should keep you going no matter how many tabs you open or how bloated your PC gets.
Personally I’d get a new Ryzen Mini PC for that kind of money just for the form factor, but they’re hardly a scam. The main issue is that the crowd this is aimed at have very little use for a PC these days.
Happy cake day!
Oh nooooo, however will I do the needful without Microsoft’s world famous blue ribbon customer support.
I thought they recently changed windows 11 to require an 11th gen or higher
No, that was misinformation
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I thought all Lemmy users were running Linux?
soon™️
OpenBSD too
and also Thinkpads?
and thigh highs?
Fursuits
Stop purchasing from Amazon
Folks, the sooner you dip your toe into Linux the better. Don’t let these mega corps tell you how to use your own stuff. Buck the trends and break free.
I’ve been thinking about it, but I probably wouldn’t be able to run my driving sim gear on it. I think I might get a cheap second-hand laptop to play around with it, though.
That’s the way I fully got into it - started off on an old laptop and
manifestedcontinued from there.Idk about running sims, but I switched over a yearish ago. It was a release of anxiety I didn’t even know I was carrying around with me. Just a break from the relentless capitalization and enshittification that windows jams down your throat at every given moment. It’s so nice having a system that doesn’t spy on me, does what I want when I want it, and never locks me out for any reason. I don’t have to reset the privacy settings after every update. It works faster too. 10/10 recommend.
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Give it up.
Lengths required for this solution: purchase computer and use it.
Lengths required for Linux: spend 10 years understanding all the technical underpinnings so that you can get a basic install going and then realize you can’t accomplish 98% of what you need to because it’s a piece of shit not made for desktop use.
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Your understanding of Linux is about 10 years out of date my friend. Linux has made massive strides in ease of install and use in recent years.
If you’re not playing games - and the people buying these machines probably aren’t - then you’ll have as stable and easy an experience with Linux as you would with Windows
My understanding is 100% up to date.
I developed games professionally for 2 decades and ran MANY startups. If you think I don’t get it, THINK AGAIN
Linux people need to get a fucking grip. It’s a shitty tool for EVERYBODY except developers.
The year of Linux on the desktop was 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022, 2023, 2024, and 2025
You need to understand that your ZEAL shows how little you understand about the overall landscape of OS and tech.
Lol. Sure buddy.
I got the one on the top (minus storage and ram) from a local university surplus store for $30 a few years ago. Lenovo brand but same form factor.
If you think that 210€ is full price for a pc then you require some research assistance.
I just got an N150 Mini PC for about that. Should be decent as a Jellyfin server.
