American Logic:Nazis were communists, Chinese are communists, USSR was communists, we are good everyone else is bad.
PRC and USSR yes, Nazis no, the US is absolutely the worst Empire on Earth.
From which movie is this?
I don’t think many even know what a communist is or what communism is about. it just makes them feel upset when they hear the word because of constant corporate mass media conditioning.
US-americans: “Communism is when the government does things. The more things it does the communistier it gets.”
Communism is the government owning the means of production. Socialism is the people owning the means.
Socialism is a mode of production where public ownership is the principle aspect of the economy. Communism is a post-socialist mode of production where all of production has been collectivized globally, the commodity form fully abolished, etc.
Come off it, capitalism is just USAian culture.
Pretty sure a large chunk of Americans think that Russia is still communist.
The Russiagate libs who hold signs at protests that associate Trump with a hammer and sickle definitely still do.
One of the most hilarious things of late has been libs, who see themselves as a paragon of rationality, expose that they’re just a different flavor of qAnon.
BlueAnon
If they aren’t, who’s been pointing brain rays at me this whole time?
Don’t have to be communist to do that
“Is like North Korea”
From which movie is this?
It looks like Battle Royale
I think Americans are well past the point of blaming this on communism.
There’s still a kinda fear of “socialism” and other stuff as specters, but it’s internal. I don’t think many here are looking at shit that’s going down locally and saying “…Damn Russkies.” I haven’t seen that once IRL since like 2016. Even mega Trumpers I know are looking inward (at Democrats); that’s kinda the point of the movement, and those I knew who were a little Cold War nostalgic have, sadly, passed away.
I don’t think many here are looking at shit that’s going down locally and saying “…Damn Russkies.”
What? “Damn Russkies!” is like the number one thing hardcore Democrat supporters blame for the state of the US
And for good reason, Russia has had a singular leadership for going on 30+ years while America is in disarray every four, you don’t thinkthey have plans, long-term plans to stabilize the United States through many different means and ways
Modern Judeo-Bolshevik conspiracy theory.
What are you like 18
What an odd response
then lemmy is sampling all the stupidest libs to me, because blaming russians and chinese for their problems with trump and capitalism is the most common argument in lib lemmy posts and accounts.
Yeah, Lemmy does not represent the average liberal in the US, not even close.
Nah.
Look at everyone attacking Mamdani, ethno fascists, techbros, liberals…
Its pretty much all ‘he is a big bad scary communist.’
He is of course not actually a communist, but even an actual socdem is so far to the left of the American Overton Window, the only vocab words that exist are ‘commie! socialist! which are the same thing, or something!’
Granted, the fact that Mamdani has significant public support means that there are more Americans who are more left-wing … but the actual Dem leadership, as with Bernie, cannot countenance losing their corpo megadonors, so they pull out the stops for anything left of … rainbow capitalism.
My neighbor blames every current problem on democrats by saying “they are communist” as his main point.
I wish they were, they aren’t cool enough.
excuse me? both parties ran an explicitly sinophobic campaign, not once have the politician or their voting base looked inwards.
You have Trump doing Hitler 2.0 electric boogaloo and Bernie call it Stalinist cult come one
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Stalin's_cult_of_personality
It’s not a great analogy, to be fair, but I don’t think Bernie was trying to single out Stalin, who did indeed have an unwaveringly loyal following, to the point of being problematic.
Again. It is not really about Russia.
HITLER 2.0 ELETRIC BOOGALOO. How about compare it to a facist??? Mussolini? Hitlerite cult?
But Berine brain after hearing too many gun shot in schools compare it to a communist first, personifying the meme. Well past it my ass.
Using Hitlerite cult would’ve been more apt, right?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler's_cult_of_personality
Then what’s all the China rhetoric about
Though to be fair I think it has died down a bit
It used to be the justification for tariffs, but yeah, it really feels like it died down. MAGA targets have shifted to Europe, and more recently, Brazil.
Venezuela is a big one, too. Oh my god, my family will not shut up about Venezuela. But that’s less new.
MAGA targets have shifted to Europe, and more recently, Brazil.
they seem to just want to strongarm some support against china with these shenanigans, honestly.
Excuse me?? How could you not notice all the Russophobia and Sinophobia? The russophobia crap got really bad when Russia finally decided to do something about the Nazi Regime in Ukraine propped up by the US empire in 2014
The anti-china crap has been present for years now
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If you refuse to see the proxy war the US is waging with Ukraine via the regime they propped up for it and their continued imperialist/empire expansionist plans with NATO, then you are not “all about criticizing the US for its many MANY faults”
Motte-and-bailey. What happened to “nazi”?
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You’re speaking as if the US started it. They did not. Russia literally invaded Ukraine in the false pretense that they are under the control of a Nazi regime. There is no Nazi regime, barely even a functioning contingent, and certainly nothing out of proportion with the rest of the world’s far right representation. If anything, this “proxy war” serves two purposes: 1. To field test new technology and 2. To undercut Russian propaganda. It’s apparent to anyone paying attention that Russia is the aggressor, they’ve vastly oversold their own capability, and their propaganda machine is flailing.
I’m not saying there are no issues within the US that urgently need resolved, but let’s be honest with ourselves – authoritarianism is authoritarianism no matter their lat/long or cultural/economic history, at home and abroad.
Edit: got caught up in my own argument and forgot to mention the obvious third reason: to help the sovereign nation of Ukraine defend itself from invasion.
That’s right history starts on February 2022, nothing happened before then. 🤡
The US started it.
Just like it did with Venezuela (failed so far), Myanmar (failed), Hong Kong (failed), Belarus (failed), Kazachstan (failed), Georgia (failed), Afghanistan (ruined and failed), Pakistan (to a lesser extend) and Syria (ruined but success).
Not to mention the “Arab Spring” (success), so Lybia among a host of MENA nations as well.If the US hadn’t been involved with its subservient media, but some other country, like Russia, being involved then there would be questions like:
“How are these interim presidents like Ahmed al-Sharaa being selected?”
“So all of these interim presidents are all living in Russia and move from Russia into these countries as presidents?”
“And these people are recieving peace prizes in Russia/Belarus/North Korea?”
“So most of these people in Finland that’s in civil war right now don’t know at all who this interim president is, was never on the ballot, lived most of his life in Russia, but it’s okay, because this is an interim president, selected ‘internationally’?”And headlines like:
“Russia installs another Puppet President into Finland under the pretense of democracy and soveirignity.”
“Russia calls to implement another slave shield zone above the nation of Greece, dubbed ‘no-fly zone’ in Russian language”The only thing Ukraine stands out of the list is that Zelensky actually had been elected by the people and started out as an internal project for an oligarch, unlike CIA puppets Ahmed al-Sharaa, Hamid Karzai, Juan Guaidó, Reza Pahlavi, Fethullah Gülen, Aung San Suu Kyi, Joshua Wong, Ursula von der Leyen and others.
Zelensky however was about as thruthful in his campaign being an anti-war president as Trump has been and so his pro-Russian voters got completely betrayed, because he decided that he wanted to join the EU at all cost, thinking that this would turn his country into an economic miracle following the same economic trend as neighbouring Poland, repeating history with truisms as the economic landscape of the world has changed dramatically between the days Poland started to recieve EU subsidies and US investments and when Zelensky became president, with Russia in a much better position where it was back then and so Ukrainian people with growing economic ties to Russia only further entrenched themselves towards support for Russia.Russia invaded Ukraine because it violated the Minsk 3 agreements time and time again and because of mistrust of the European Union–Ukraine Association Agreement that included military cooperation with NATO countries, which aroused suspicions of Ukraine trying to join NATO, an anti-Russia organisation, with Ukraine being an artificially created nation by the Soviet Union that contains mostly parts of Russia and Poland.
The US supporting Ukrainian nazis thing was just the most emotionally infuriating part, but not the most worrying as suppression of the Russian people in the Donbass was, who tried to vote themselves out of the country, but were violently suppressed.The invasion was a warning to Ukraine that if it did not sign the agreement that it would refrain itself from joining NATO,
it could expect a devestating war, which it now does.If anyone has footage of this by the way, please direct me to it.
I did not save the footage of people going to polling stations and being shot at by Ukrainian troops.
The footage I saw had loud sweeping music/commentary added to it,
which did a giant disservice in my opinion to spread the atrocity that happened that day.You are portraying Russia, a global superpower, as the unilateral victim. I am saying there is more nuance, especially concerning superpowers. I don’t support usurpation or invasion by anyone. You can’t suppose that ideologically and economically opposed nations won’t both editorialize (which seems here to be your concern, editorializing). Yet here we are.
You can’t suppose that ideologically and economically opposed nations won’t both editorialize (which seems here to be your concern, editorializing).
No, I am concerned about Ukraine that is fighting an unwinnable war for the US(/UK/EU) that set them up with unrealistic goals and demands, while their enemy had modest demands that are now being eroded as Ukraine has decided that these modest demands should be met with a fight to the death fueled by the outdated view of the world that you can’t go wrong when you have the military and financial backing of the US.
And Ukraine is now fighting until there’s nothing left, because while if it was a regional conflict,
this nation would have crumbled and surrendered, it is now sacrificing every life it has
as a constant stream of financial support from the EU, UK and US allows Zelensky to theoretically
go for a zero sum war until there’s no Ukrainian citizen left.You are portraying Russia, a global superpower, as the unilateral victim. I am saying there is more nuance, especially concerning superpowers.
Russia is a regional superpower.
The current power behind Russia, China is the global superpower.
Russia meanwhile is not a victim because it’s winning and they came to the rescue of the Russian Ukrainians who had been suppressed since the coup of 2014.
The victims are the Russian Ukrainians and Ukrainian conscripts as both groups have been duped
into voting for a conman that is unfit to be president and lets his decisions be made by foreign powers
who have no stake in Ukraine and use Ukrainians as cannon fodder as the foreign themselves also have the outdated
view of the world that you can’t go wrong when you have the military and financial backing of the US.This entire war is currently the biggest example of the failure of liberal democracy.
The Soviet Union did not do anything remotely like this when it started losing power,
dissolved peacefully with geopolitical issues far more difficult to solve than the issues
the US is currently experiencing and yet the US is dropping the ball because it’s a liberal democracy
and a bad one at that.Ukraine has a card-carrying puppet president elected for the polar opposite for what he was elected for,
all the EU nations have shown themselves to be puppet leaders of the US,
and thrown their economies, which is about 25+ countries, into financial ruin to support this war,
which should have remained a regional conflict of a border and alliance dispute,
and it’s even hurting the US financially as well,
because it is currently China, not the US,
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The US did start it, by constantly poking with threats and actions here and there. Like in 2014 when they overthrew the actual democratically elected Ukraine government for the crime of being “Too friendly with Russia” and then propped up the current Nazi regime that is completely russo-phobic.
They even went so far as to rename a city because it had a “Russian spelling”.
Right, because the US told Yanukovych to brutalize his people, and also told the people to revolt and the supreme court to remove him from office, so he could flee to Russia. Not saying the West didn’t see this as an opportunity to strengthen economic ties, but it was not a bear and stick moment. Why do you insist that only the West is at fault? Culpability is shared
Why would he tell people to “revolt” when he was the president of the country? That doesn’t even make sense. Who did he “brutalize,” specifically? It was the coup snipers who shot people in Maidan from rooftops. It was a false flag attack.
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/23311886.2023.2269685
See, the mistake you made was assuming anyone here is capable of understanding how nuanced debate works. It’s all or nothing around here. And if you so much as merely imply that communism/russia/authoritarianism/china is flawed in any way-
You get your comment removed and face the possibility of having you yourself removed.
I’d strongly suggest you search elsewhere if you’re looking for an actual conversation on topics like this, because speaking southward in a northbound wind-tunnel won’t ever result in anyone getting the message.
We just refuse to dance to a bunch of removedlibs tune. Fuck off to Reddit and libjerk yourself to Hillary Clinton/AOC/Bernie/KKKamala Harris if you have a problem with that.
I’m honestly surprised they’re still up
It’s not a school night.
ROFL!
My blunt observation. People here in the US don’t care.
They voted a somewhat pro-Russian, Ukraine isolationist into power, and didn’t give a shit. Trump flip flopped, and they didn’t give a shit about that either. It didn’t move approval ratings one. Hair.
So you can keep saying the Big Bad American People have it out for Russia, that they cheer on Ukraine from their TVs. But on the ground here? They do. Not. Care. Frankly, if they were more educated, my racist family would bucket both Ukrainians and Russians as “white” and be largely indifferent to the war, as it’s not happening on US soil. They liked Trump reaching out to Putin for a peace deal. What keeps them up at night is brown people flooding over the border, tearing down Seattle or whatever Fox or Rumble is blaring. Or, more realistically, our country teetering on Civil War from internal polarization. Not China or Russia vs Ukraine or Taiwan.
So you can blame the not-quite-extinct neolibs and the government, I guess, but:
Russophobia and Sinophobia
IRL, as much as people (bots?) banter online, I have not personally heard one peep about Russophobia in years. We just aren’t that educated on foreign policy, nor into it like the Bush era. And the Sinophobia stops at “deport the foreign asians.”
Again, this is not my opinion or personal belief. Just my observation from the US.
And what is capitalism, or communism, or socialism? I feel like there are different definitions of those things.
Capitalism is a mode of production largely defined as one where private ownership is the principle aspect of the economy, and commodity production is the main form.
Socialism is a mode of production where public ownership is the principle aspect, and is more planned and controlled.
Communism is a post-socialist, global system that is fully collectivized and planned.
