Funny how the comments in this thread went from “haha he’s degoogling on YouTube?” to “do you believe in rehabilitation?” - “HE’S A NAZI!!!”.
It truly feels like back in the good old Reddit days. You either get popcorn or your pitchfork. There’s nothing in-between.
he brought it on himself by accidentally naziing several times, even while he ostensibly apologized after he got called out for it.
he has had a hand in normalizing this shit we’re in today and people are right to be angry at him. especially since his alleged rehabilitation has been as quiet as his nazi winks and nods were loud.
i do believe in rehabilitation, but i think for someone his size you can’t just do it quietly. you have to be against it and try to right your wrongs. that’s what hunter avallone did for example, and he’s significantly smaller than pewdiepie.
pewdiepie’s damage was much more consequential and he has a responsibility to do more than not casually naziing anymore.
What did this “quiet rehabilitation” even entail? Did he actually take responsibility for the dogwhistles?
don’t even know honestly; just responding to people’s claims that he’s changed.
I think the algorithms and media advertising are setup to monetize outrage and he got big precisely because he was willing to say and do anything for attention.
If not for the algorithms we’d probably not ever have known who pewdie pie is and tbh we’d all be better off forgetting about him.
I’m tired of people talking about the “responsibility of celebrities” - most of them are only there because they’re shitty. The system filters for it.
then people shouldn’t bitch about it when they get backlash
The bitching is encouraged by algorithms. Idk if you’ve seen the youtube drama bullshit scene but its all bitching all the time. The only way to stop it is to leave platforms utilizing conflict algorithms and work on fostering communities that don’t celebrity worship.
sorry I meant bitching in the comments that he’s still being perceived as a nazi.
I like to eat my popcorn with a pitchfork, thank you very much.
“Degoogle!”
~ Someone on YouTube, a platform owned by GoogleHe takes part in society yet he critiques it.
This isnt a gotcha, if he did this in private he couldnt champion it.
It should be more eye opening that his path to critique relies on thos he critques, making the case that they are too engrained.
Pretty interesting usage of his Steam Deck. I feel like it was overkill lol. But as he said, sometimes it’s cool to just use what you have.
On the Steam Deck there is Google too, there is the sponsored Chrome install and cloud saves uses Google servers
What? No there isn’t and they don’t use Google’s cloud.
In game mode if you navigate to library then to non-steam, if your list is empty it will prompt you to install Chrome. Maybe it was somewhere else, but yes, the prompt exists regardless.
Edit: Picure I got from the Interner to illustrate my comment:
Never had any prompt for google services in 2+ years of owning a sd, i don’t know why you’re so affirmative about something you don’t actually seem to be sure about
Did they install chrome in desktop mode and Steam picked it up and asked if they wanted a shortcut to it? From what I can tell you get Firefox by default in desktop mode?
On SteamOS maybe, but he is using Arch Linux on his Steam Deck, as mentioned in the Article.
Where did you get this information?
Worse. Steam is basically built on top of CEF, which is not much better than Electron.
It’s amazing how deep Chromium (and web tech in general) got into everything. Microsoft - which I regarded for how light and well optimized Windows 8.1 was - went from using Chromium for Edge to using it basically everywhere. Latest observation is how you open Copilot app, chat a little and see how it eats 4 GB of RAM and lags like hell, on a higher end business laptop.
some people in here are apparently perfect and don’t believe others can grow and learn from their mistakes. what a childish self-centered perspective.
only if you insist on treating being a Nazi as something white men grow out of with age
Are there other incurable states of mind that would require people to be shunned forever?
yeah, arguing in bad faith
I am not a follower of his, but I am certainly an advocate for de-<insert mega tech company name here>ing having just finally rid myself of Micros**t, which was preceded by getting rid of almost all of the family streaming subs.
The Steamdeck is actually a great device for this simply because it is a very functional pc in desktop mode. Throw in a Bluetooth mouse and keyboard, with even a generic dock and it can rival most laptops, especially with the added video capabilities it already has.
I find myself using it as a pc almost as much as a gaming device, just because it works so well for both.
I have been thinking about not replacing my laptop and just getting a steam deck (or a Lenovo?) kb, mouse and a bigger external screen if I need it.
Will that work ?
I use mine as my main desktop pc. I’ve put cachyOS on it (handheld edition).
It depends on what software you need to run though. I’m a programmer so Linux for me is great but it might not support all the software you currently use.
I still have my old laptop, again running cachyOS, for sitting on the couch or going portable. I have tried using the deck on its own sitting in a dock with a Bluetooth mouse and KB. It works fine but the screen is very small so I prefer the laptop.
You could maybe try dual booting your laptop with a beginner friendly distro like Ubuntu, fedora, or bazzite (if you want gaming) to dip your toe in the water before fully diving in.
If he’s “going all in on deGoogling”, perhaps he should be using a Youtube alternative?
I know it seems kinda ironic. But the way to reach lots of people is to post on YouTube. If you want to reach people and stop them from using google you’re not going to reach them on some obscure platform that no one uses.
And the people using those obscure platforms have already degoogled so your basically preaching to the choir if you use them.
There is no real Youtube alternative, he talked about still using Youtube in the video
Please list here all the alternatives that also pay their creators and let you run ads:
Wasnt yt adds laughably underpaid and thats the reason all the videos have sponsors nowdays? With that in mind, he is big enough to switch and keep his sponsors/clicks
Nope, nobody is. Case in point: Twitch.
Multiple people have tried moving out, but they always come back.
YouTube ads pay a fuckton of money compared to any sponsorships. And sponsors pay more based on views and demographics, which YouTube also provides.
You just can’t make YouTube moneys by hosting an mp4 with sponsor ads, not ever.
Only if you operate in a country where AdSense pays a lot. If you’re based in a country where AdSense pays like shit, you’re going to need that sponsor to keep the lights on.
I think it’s not about money. It’s the audience.
Maybe this arc leads somewhere better though. He might be big enough to cause a paradigm shift eventually.
LTT isn’t small (Linus is tho) and they have their own site, Floatplane
They still make most of their income from YouTube
The only way is to quit Youtube entirely, but It wont matter as Google already has a ton of info on him but I’m sure he has enough money to live without Youtube.
YouTuber…Degoogling
Nobody tell him.
Yes let him remove his source of income in order to be the most rightous!!! It’s respectable that he’s doing it as much as he can
Also youtube is so widespread it’s the best way to spread positive messages, even against YouTube and Google themselves
I think he’s already set for life and he’s doing YouTube just for fun. I’ve heard that other YouTubers said that PewDiePie is incredibly wealthy because he invested a large percentage of his income on his heyday as a YouTuber. Looking back he only have two editors at most working at his videos and didn’t do “flexing” content.
But the point is that he won’t be able to reach people if he didn’t post on YouTube. He already kicked up a storm on the move to Linux video and this kind of exposure really helps with the general population.
That’s a good point
I don’t see the problem here. Just because you upload stuff on Youtube doesn’t mean you need to be tied to every other service. This isn’t something like being a vegan where if you wear leather boots, you’re not a “true vegan”.
Black and White thinking is the death of any movement you’re 100% spot on, everything has nuance
dichotomous thinking is the pretentiously fun term
I like saying binary. A middle ground pretentiousness-wise.
Even to your point about boots, there are some people who are vegan (by their definition) and wear leather boots. Arguments can be made that leather will (in specific circumstances) result in less animal harm in the long run, and while I don’t personally justify leather this way, I can understand how some have these perspectives.
The real issue is labels. As soon as you apply one, you are subject to everyone else’s understanding of that thing. In my experience, if you don’t meet their understanding of said thing you’re dismissed as not being a “true x”, or it’s “if you truly are X then why do you do y?”
This is why I never refer to myself as vegan/vegetarian and just “I don’t eat meat” (or a more specific statement as needed).
I never say I’m a leftist/socialist I just gestures vaguely at American politics believe that’s kinda fucked and shouldn’t be done that way.
I even dislike saying I’m an urbanist because, even though I despise car-centric design, I’ve been called out for the sin of hiring a car when I visited my hometown last (generally I cycle everywhere or use PT, but I had an ankle injury so woe is me I guess)
At some level we’re all hypocrites, ones intentions are far more important, and shouldn’t be dismissed as easily as they are. What’s more important is to align your actions with your beliefs, be open about what you believe in, be open-minded when someone’s beliefs don’t align with your own, be ready to adjust your beliefs based on new information and experiences but most of all:
Be kind.
I mean he already addressed that in his video to be fair lol
You’re assuming OP watched the video at all 😁
Any idea of this guy made any significant impact when he installed Linux recently?
Linux has had a major increase in usership lately if I recall right, and supposedly windows has lost a major number of users (although mostly people dropping desktops for just phones).
No idea if PewDiePie contributed or not.
Arch forums have seen a massive uptick in users
Im obviously misunderstanding what they mean by “note taking” app, right?
I’m wondering if that’s something like Obsidian
What a roll model.
i don’t really know if the linux community should be claiming the guy who casually drops the n word like he breathes air as our guy.
🍿oh this comment section the good stuff.
FFS, it was years ago, no one is claiming him as “our guy”, and he’s an extremely influential person so just take the win.
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Yeah. Guy does a few Nazi things and anti-Semitic things a few years ago and he has to live with that reputation forever? . And come on, why are you living in the past? Just because Kanye straight off said some Nazi shit every few months? Dude, separate the art from the artist!
Oh, and Kevin Spacey did a bit of rape back then. But it was so long ago!
And while we’re here, Bill Cosby drugged those girls in the 70s. Like my dude, who wasn’t a little edgy back then?
Yes, because those are all equivalent situations
You’re going to equate a word with being a Nazi and rape? Using a racial slur is literally a small subset of being a Nazi.
If you think calling people Jews was the big issue with the Nazis, well…
So I decided to look up the article, and see what the defense was.
Here’s the article: https://www.mediaite.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/Screen-Shot-2019-09-19-at-16.04.33.jpg
And indeed, it does seem to be a Vetements piece he’s wearing. I could not however find the exact outfit, but those are the Georgian designer’s signature, in Georgian letters, which can be compared here:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demna_(designer)
In looking through some videos from that era, he is wearing multiple articles of clothing from Vetements which tracks. So it’s not a one off piece of clothing he was wearing from that company.
As for the cross, it is a design used in Georgia, including on their traditional flags:
And it is known as a Bolnisi Cross
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bolnisi_cross
And can even be found in ancient Georgian architecture, specifically with a circle around it:
It is similar to the German iron cross, except the iron cross always has white or iron bolding, which the Bolnisi Cross does not
(You can compare them in these search results: https://duckduckgo.com/?t=fpas&q=german+iron+cross&ia=images&iax=images)
Nah I’m saying you say racist shit, you don’t get off the hook.
Is there an avenue to getting off the hook? Apologizing and not doing it again? Or does he lose everything for the rest of his life?
For context, I barely know who pewdiepie is. I just have to imagine that when public figures fuck up, maybe there’s a spectrum of available consequences other than “they must lose their job and never been spoken of again.”
He didn’t really apologize at all. He brushed it off, moved on, and then everyone pretended like it didn’t exist.
His PR machine worked hard to clean up his mess.
Imagine if JK Rowling’s got quiet then two years later, came back and everyone gaslight you into saying they just went through a phase.
And yet, I’m the one getting heavily down voted.
Thanks for the context. I read your comment as “you don’t get off the hook ever” which is not what you said.
I was thinking QtPie, who is a much nicer person.
Pretty sure PewDiePie is an ass, but “he said a racial slur once ten years ago” isn’t a great argument against anyone, generally.
For what it’s worth, Kevin Spacey has not been found guilty of anything. He was found not liable in New York and acquitted in the UK.
Was it a repeated occurrence?
No, and he apologized
Serious question.
Do you believe in rehabilitation? I think its admirable for someone to overcome their shortcomings. Especially considering that we are all products of our environments.
To my understanding he apologized for the horrific things he said in the past and is attempting to better himself as a person. I don’t see him continuing to be a problematic person.
Who here hasn’t said or done regrettable things?
I don’t claim to know him but I think he was a foolish kid who is now learning the error of his ways. He never struck me as someone who was intentionally malicious but rather someone who is very uninformed and didn’t realize it. He said it once in a stream, he used it to mean basically “asshole” when someone killed him. I’m sure he knew it was racist, but he probably didn’t know the WHY to why it was or the real cultural significance it has in the US, he’s swedish, he’s so far removed from American culture. And I don’t think he realized the impact of saying that and some of his other comments had on his young impressionable fans.
It SEEMS like he’s becoming more politically left leaning and has unlearned some of his bias he had in the past. I don’t know for sure but I hope he has.
The problem with extremists is that they cannot see purity in anybody else but themselves.
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But you fuck one sheep…
Yup. We see this with StopKillingGames too where it is “Well. So what if asmongold literally advocated for genocide and ethnic cleansing? He is on our side and that is what is most important!”.
pewdiepie I think mostly fell off the past few years so no idea if he has shown any sign of growth. But it is still a GREAT message to say “Racism is less important than my OS of choice”
Pretty much. The whole “Internet is forever” doesn’t mean shit if you can be a dick and then throw money to PR fix your reputation.
Just to be clear: if someone has actively shown growth then I am all for them moving past shit (obviously the amount of growth required depends on the level of shitty before but). James Gunn being kind of the poster child for that where he was an edgelord dipshit when he was younger. But every time that comes up, almost everyone around him makes it clear that he has grown significantly and he owns up to it every time.
Like… look at idubbz. I, and many others, aren’t sure if we can ever actually “forgive” him considering how much abuse we received because of people directly quoting his hate. But he also (at least briefly. Not sure what he has done since) made it a big point of actually APOLOGIZING. And… getting a lot of shit and hatred from other youtubers who refuse to apologize for their shittiness for whatever reason (shoutout to moistcritical for breaking his apolitical stance to aggressively insist Ian didn’t need to apologize for slurs and bigotry…).
Contrast that with “he said the N word a lot a few years back but hasn’t done it recently” with no indication beyond that.
He did give multiple apologies for using it tho and as far as I’ve known hasn’t used the word in many years
I was gonna say, isn’t he a shithead? I don’t really know. Maybe he grew up.
Edit: sounds like he apologized, good for him!
