Good, an influencer in the millions of followers is bringing visibility to FOSS and independent technology.
Bad, he said the n word once and joked about jews when he was in his early 20’s.
Devil’s Advocate: If pewdiepie was really a nazi, his channel wouldn’t be about gaming and tech, it would be two spaces away from Joe Rogan in your podcast app. The dude is harmless.
You guys don’t really get it. Back then, people blurted out edgelord shit whether they meant it or even understood it just for a meme or repetition or even quell nervousness on a livestream. God forbid any of you hear recordings from Xbox Live circa 2010.
All this “is he still a fascist talk” speaks volumes. He never was.
I said edgy shit and the n-word online when I was a teen, am I a fascist? Nope, voted blue since Obama and my cousins are hispanic and well loved. Kids gonna kid, adults grow up, realize wtf they were doing was idiotic and move on.
If you’re witchhunting fascists and you land on pewdiepie, start back at the top of your list. Your fascometer’s sensitivity is too high.
You don’t have to be a committed fascist to be criticized for normalizing fascist dogwhistles and symbolism. “Other people do it too” is not a good excuse either.
That being said, it was a long time ago, and I do think he understands it was stupid and wouldn’t do it again.
I love his new path in content. Seems like he grew up to be a positive influence in the ethical tech regard.
I still remember his arch linux vid he did
Impossible! Nobody can remember something that happened a few weeks ago!
U right. But I got good memory
all anyone has to do to have their dick glazed by the Linux/gaming communities is to throw a few sieg heils and n-words around.
you’re part of the problem why being a racist is profitable on social media.
Second message I’ve received in the same night filled with anger, judgement, and name calling.
Odd.
I encourage you to go into conversations without assumptions. Ask questions and be curious. Keep anger at bay.
Funny how the comments in this thread went from “haha he’s degoogling on YouTube?” to “do you believe in rehabilitation?” - “HE’S A NAZI!!!”.
It truly feels like back in the good old Reddit days. You either get popcorn or your pitchfork. There’s nothing in-between.
he brought it on himself by accidentally naziing several times, even while he ostensibly apologized after he got called out for it.
he has had a hand in normalizing this shit we’re in today and people are right to be angry at him. especially since his alleged rehabilitation has been as quiet as his nazi winks and nods were loud.
i do believe in rehabilitation, but i think for someone his size you can’t just do it quietly. you have to be against it and try to right your wrongs. that’s what hunter avallone did for example, and he’s significantly smaller than pewdiepie.
pewdiepie’s damage was much more consequential and he has a responsibility to do more than not casually naziing anymore.
What did this “quiet rehabilitation” even entail? Did he actually take responsibility for the dogwhistles?
don’t even know honestly; just responding to people’s claims that he’s changed.
I think the algorithms and media advertising are setup to monetize outrage and he got big precisely because he was willing to say and do anything for attention.
If not for the algorithms we’d probably not ever have known who pewdie pie is and tbh we’d all be better off forgetting about him.
I’m tired of people talking about the “responsibility of celebrities” - most of them are only there because they’re shitty. The system filters for it.
then people shouldn’t bitch about it when they get backlash
The bitching is encouraged by algorithms. Idk if you’ve seen the youtube drama bullshit scene but its all bitching all the time. The only way to stop it is to leave platforms utilizing conflict algorithms and work on fostering communities that don’t celebrity worship.
sorry I meant bitching in the comments that he’s still being perceived as a nazi.
Oh yeah the amount of grace people extend to celebrities is insane and the fact he got big on youtube should all be evidence anyone needs that he’s a piece of shit.
That’s human nature. People are complicated, and everyone has negative and positive aspects to them (granted some have mostly negative or mostly positive traits). It’s a lot easier to have a black and white opinion on people, either you really like someone or you really don’t like someone. When dealing with thousands of famous people that you don’t know, simplifying your opinion on them to a black and white opinion is a shortcut we take to keep from getting overwhelmed.
I like to eat my popcorn with a pitchfork, thank you very much.
To keep your hands clean? I can respect that.
That’s exactly it. Either you join the pitchfork faction or you stay out of their way. To me the funny thing is the delusion that typing angry comments into a phone makes people social activists.
some people in here are apparently perfect and don’t believe others can grow and learn from their mistakes. what a childish self-centered perspective.
I’m willing to believe he might have learned from his mistakes, but he was 27 when he did the most egregious things. More than old enough to know better. The older you are when you do stupid shit, the harder it will be for people to forgive you.
Here’s the problem with public figures in particular: they have an extrinsic motivation to make others believe they’ve changed. You can’t actually know if they’re doing it for the money or because they actually believe it.
The same issue goes for doing good too. Do people donate to charity because they want to or because they want people to see them? Is it still good if it’s the latter? Is there a difference functionally?
100% agree, but this logic applies to everyone, not just public figures.
they [public figures] have an extrinsic motivation to make others believe they’ve changed.
Replace public figures with people and its just as accurate. Nobody wants to be the bad guy, even demon-spawn incarnate, Stephen Miller tries to put everything in a positive light “detaining violent illegals” vs “breaking innocent families apart and sending them to concentration camps”.
Judge people based on their actions, not their words.
I agree, though it’s to a much lesser extent. Regular people can find a small group that support whatever views that have without any push back. Public figures make money (or get elected, or whatever else) off of public perseption, though this sometimes creates a situation where being bad is positive for them too.
Yeah no… It’s very easy to not behave like a fucking Nazi.
You’re exposing your privilege and lack of understanding other perspectives.
Not everyone grew up knowing the impact words or phrases have on marginalized communities. I reflect on the day I learned women think twice about going for a runs at night. Growing up a white-passing guy in a relatively safe neighborhood, the possibility of getting raped was a foreign concept, but a sad reality for many women. In that same vein, you lack the humility to consider people like me, who grow up in an environment where slurs were common and “just a joke”.
I’ve educated myself, learned from my past, reflected on how my actions may have impacted others at the time and walked away from ignorance. I am not who I used to be, and we must allow people to grow, or would you prefer to see no change?
If you grew up perfect, you should feel blessed that you’ve had the opportunity. Not everyone gets that.
Why do you say that?
Look at all the so-called “subtle bigotry” that predominates western media and then ask yourself why you expect anything else.
Bruh, he literally paid some people to wave a sign that said, “Death to all Jews.” Link to Vox
“Subtle bigotry,” my ass.
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I did say “subtle”.
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I was talking about mainstream shit but I wasn’t thinking about him per se. More so commonly watched movies, TV shows and the manner in which the news presents certain people and parts of the world. I’ve never seen his content.
My b, I think we’re actually on the same page?
I believe so.
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only if you insist on treating being a Nazi as something white men grow out of with age
Are there other incurable states of mind that would require people to be shunned forever?
Nope, just fascism.
yeah, arguing in bad faith
Is it something they inherently do? No. Is it something they can do?, Of course. Just like anyone evolve over time. Especially when you’re into something just to be edgy.
so it’s OK to be one as long as you’re just trying to be edgy? why are white men always left off the hook?
That’s not even close to remotely what they said. They said it’s easy to become one if you’re trying to be edgy. They never said it was OK. They said you can change and get out of it. If you were just doing it to be edgy, and not because you believed white people are superior, then it’s easier to change.
Argue in good faith if you’re going to argue. Don’t change people’s words to fight a strawman. It only makes you look stupid.
I watched a documentary recently about a former skin head who was getting his tattoos removed because he hated them because he didn’t believe that stuff anymore. I don’t remember his age, but he had to be in his 30s.
You don’t “grow out of it” but you can learn that you were wrong. I’m not saying that anyone should support pewdeepie, but it should be encouraged when people change their views like that. Even if he’s being dishonest, it should be encouraged that he’s telling others it’s wrong, and also that it’s more beneficial to not do that.
The goal should not be revenge, it should be less hate. Revenge only puts us further away from what we supposedly want.
if anyone wanted revenge on him, it would be extremely easy for someone to find him and do him harm. stop trying to make cancel culture against white men a real thing. Felix is one of the richest YouTubers in the world. if the reality you’re painting actually existed, he’d be bankrupt by now and deplatformed.
let’s stop acting like Nazis need to be personally hugged and kissed on the forehead until they stop being violent
stop trying to make cancel culture against white men a real thing.
Where did I say that? I just said revenge doesn’t gain us anything if it prevents people from becoming less asshole, or spreading that behavior.
let’s stop acting like Nazis need to be personally hugged and kissed on the forehead until they stop being violent
Let’s stop acting like former Nazis are just as bad as existing ones. Unless you’re going to kill him, shut the fuck up. He exists and is going to use his platform, whether you like it or not. I’d rather it not be used to promote Nazism.
I am not a follower of his, but I am certainly an advocate for de-<insert mega tech company name here>ing having just finally rid myself of Micros**t, which was preceded by getting rid of almost all of the family streaming subs.
The Steamdeck is actually a great device for this simply because it is a very functional pc in desktop mode. Throw in a Bluetooth mouse and keyboard, with even a generic dock and it can rival most laptops, especially with the added video capabilities it already has.
I find myself using it as a pc almost as much as a gaming device, just because it works so well for both.
I have been thinking about not replacing my laptop and just getting a steam deck (or a Lenovo?) kb, mouse and a bigger external screen if I need it.
Will that work ?
Its a solid stand-in for a mid-tier laptop! Most everyday laptop stuffs like web browsing and code editing it drives like a charm!
Don’t expect too much, though! From my experience video editing is a bit too heavy for the lil guy - and some softwares can be kinda tough to run due to the sandboxed nature of steamOS (eg visual studio code, librewolf).
I think switching to another OS like Cashy or (if it doesn’t get axed?) Bazzite would probly be the way to go if you intend to use it for more than simple apps & web browsing!
I use mine as my main desktop pc. I’ve put cachyOS on it (handheld edition).
It depends on what software you need to run though. I’m a programmer so Linux for me is great but it might not support all the software you currently use.
I still have my old laptop, again running cachyOS, for sitting on the couch or going portable. I have tried using the deck on its own sitting in a dock with a Bluetooth mouse and KB. It works fine but the screen is very small so I prefer the laptop.
You could maybe try dual booting your laptop with a beginner friendly distro like Ubuntu, fedora, or bazzite (if you want gaming) to dip your toe in the water before fully diving in.
Yep
Pretty interesting usage of his Steam Deck. I feel like it was overkill lol. But as he said, sometimes it’s cool to just use what you have.
YouTuber…Degoogling
Nobody tell him.
Yes let him remove his source of income in order to be the most rightous!!! It’s respectable that he’s doing it as much as he can
Also youtube is so widespread it’s the best way to spread positive messages, even against YouTube and Google themselves
I think he’s already set for life and he’s doing YouTube just for fun. I’ve heard that other YouTubers said that PewDiePie is incredibly wealthy because he invested a large percentage of his income on his heyday as a YouTuber. Looking back he only have two editors at most working at his videos and didn’t do “flexing” content.
But the point is that he won’t be able to reach people if he didn’t post on YouTube. He already kicked up a storm on the move to Linux video and this kind of exposure really helps with the general population.
That’s a good point
I don’t see the problem here. Just because you upload stuff on Youtube doesn’t mean you need to be tied to every other service. This isn’t something like being a vegan where if you wear leather boots, you’re not a “true vegan”.
Black and White thinking is the death of any movement you’re 100% spot on, everything has nuance
dichotomous thinking is the pretentiously fun term
I like saying binary. A middle ground pretentiousness-wise.
Even to your point about boots, there are some people who are vegan (by their definition) and wear leather boots. Arguments can be made that leather will (in specific circumstances) result in less animal harm in the long run, and while I don’t personally justify leather this way, I can understand how some have these perspectives.
The real issue is labels. As soon as you apply one, you are subject to everyone else’s understanding of that thing. In my experience, if you don’t meet their understanding of said thing you’re dismissed as not being a “true x”, or it’s “if you truly are X then why do you do y?”
This is why I never refer to myself as vegan/vegetarian and just “I don’t eat meat” (or a more specific statement as needed).
I never say I’m a leftist/socialist I just gestures vaguely at American politics believe that’s kinda fucked and shouldn’t be done that way.
I even dislike saying I’m an urbanist because, even though I despise car-centric design, I’ve been called out for the sin of hiring a car when I visited my hometown last (generally I cycle everywhere or use PT, but I had an ankle injury so woe is me I guess)
At some level we’re all hypocrites, ones intentions are far more important, and shouldn’t be dismissed as easily as they are. What’s more important is to align your actions with your beliefs, be open about what you believe in, be open-minded when someone’s beliefs don’t align with your own, be ready to adjust your beliefs based on new information and experiences but most of all:
Be kind.
I mean he already addressed that in his video to be fair lol
You’re assuming OP watched the video at all 😁
Any idea of this guy made any significant impact when he installed Linux recently?
Linux has had a major increase in usership lately if I recall right, and supposedly windows has lost a major number of users (although mostly people dropping desktops for just phones).
No idea if PewDiePie contributed or not.
I also started using Bazzite recently, but not because of him. But this new video is giving me ideas on what other things I can do. The Linux one popped up in my suggested videos too, and I thought there was good starter information there too. I don’t really know much about him otherwise.
Arch forums have seen a massive uptick in users
maybe this might revive Pewdiepie grow again???
If he’s “going all in on deGoogling”, perhaps he should be using a Youtube alternative?
I know it seems kinda ironic. But the way to reach lots of people is to post on YouTube. If you want to reach people and stop them from using google you’re not going to reach them on some obscure platform that no one uses.
And the people using those obscure platforms have already degoogled so your basically preaching to the choir if you use them.
There is no real Youtube alternative, he talked about still using Youtube in the video
Please list here all the alternatives that also pay their creators and let you run ads:
Wasnt yt adds laughably underpaid and thats the reason all the videos have sponsors nowdays? With that in mind, he is big enough to switch and keep his sponsors/clicks
Nope, nobody is. Case in point: Twitch.
Multiple people have tried moving out, but they always come back.
YouTube ads pay a fuckton of money compared to any sponsorships. And sponsors pay more based on views and demographics, which YouTube also provides.
You just can’t make YouTube moneys by hosting an mp4 with sponsor ads, not ever.
I think it’s not about money. It’s the audience.
Maybe this arc leads somewhere better though. He might be big enough to cause a paradigm shift eventually.
LTT isn’t small (Linus is tho) and they have their own site, Floatplane
They still make most of their income from YouTube
Only if you operate in a country where AdSense pays a lot. If you’re based in a country where AdSense pays like shit, you’re going to need that sponsor to keep the lights on.
The only way is to quit Youtube entirely, but It wont matter as Google already has a ton of info on him but I’m sure he has enough money to live without Youtube.
This thread is killing me. I’m really tired of how open-source people and gamers are so quick to forgive and move on, all under the veil of we don’t care about politics. Well, how fucking lucky for you then! What, do you think the people who care are having autistic hyper-fixations on politics? Is that it? Like, I don’t have less depressing hyper-fixations to have, maybe? Well, I’m glad to see that it’s all working out great for you! Now, if you could stop looking at yourself for a minute, that would be great!
Fuck. Bigots.
We should not allow them in our spaces like that. We should not welcome them with open arms because they have lots of subscribers and it gives us exposure! We have enough far-right dipshit in our communities as is.
Oooh, but what about redemption?! What about rehabilitation?!
Listen people, I grew up in a far-right home. I was a far-right dipshit for a long time because of that. But the difference is, I haven’t been called out for paying some guys to write some heinous antisemitism on a sign, after I’ve been called out for dog whistling to Nazis in an apology, after I’ve been called out for shouting out a Nazi in a video about channels, my name wasn’t dropped live by a Nazi shooter, and I certainly didn’t invite fucking Ben Shapiro on my program to review memes to my millions and millions of followers!
Come on! We’re not talking about a guy who said something cringe on Twitter 12 years ago here. It’s not about believing that we’re perfect and being self-centered, as I have read in this thread. It’s about having some fucking standards. I am forgiving. I know that people can change. But there are fucking limits as to what I’m willing to accept.
This is so tiring.
fucking finally some common sense. they’re basically trying to paint anyone who brings up his pattern of white supremacy as a cancel culture extremist.
all this incel reactionary bs is because the tech bros refuse to admit they were wrong during gamergate and are still on the wrong side of history because you refuse to listen to feminists or anyone who’s not white.
Im obviously misunderstanding what they mean by “note taking” app, right?
I’m wondering if that’s something like Obsidian
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And a poopie nose!
“Degoogle!”
~ Someone on YouTube, a platform owned by Google
He takes part in society yet he critiques it.
This isnt a gotcha, if he did this in private he couldnt champion it.
It should be more eye opening that his path to critique relies on thos he critques, making the case that they are too engrained.
On the Steam Deck there is Google too, there is the sponsored Chrome install and cloud saves uses Google servers
What? No there isn’t and they don’t use Google’s cloud.
In game mode if you navigate to library then to non-steam, if your list is empty it will prompt you to install Chrome. Maybe it was somewhere else, but yes, the prompt exists regardless.
Edit: Picure I got from the Interner to illustrate my comment:
Edit 2: More proof that it never happened and either I’m imagining things or making it up:
Did they install chrome in desktop mode and Steam picked it up and asked if they wanted a shortcut to it? From what I can tell you get Firefox by default in desktop mode?
Nope… It’s literally just a placeholder to allow people in game mode to install chrome and access the Internet without having to switch to desktop mode.
Until they make a better way to add non-Steam shortcuts in game mode.
It literally explains it in the prompt.
Then that’s like a totally avoidable thing. There is no Google Chrome there unless you want it to have it
Yes, exactly.
I got this same prompt the first time I used my Steam Deck and I don’t use Chrome at all, so no.
Hm, well that’s a bummer 😯 Thanks for clarifying.
Never had any prompt for google services in 2+ years of owning a sd, i don’t know why you’re so affirmative about something you don’t actually seem to be sure about
Because I also got this prompt the first time I used my Steam Deck, but I wasn’t sure where I got it.
You’ll get it once when you access Non-Steam library for thw first time. If you refuse it you’ll never see it again
That’s what I thought, I installed CachyOS on my Legion Go last week and I’d swear it appeared there too.
Oh no a prompt
Steam Deck owner here. The default browser is (or was?) FireFox on my Deck, no Chrome.
On SteamOS maybe, but he is using Arch Linux on his Steam Deck, as mentioned in the Article.
Where did you get this information?
I installed AdGuard Home (pihole alike) and blocked all Google then my deck wasn’t able to sync my game saves, I had to allowlist steam.googlecloudsomethingsomething in order for cloud saves to work
Worse. Steam is basically built on top of CEF, which is not much better than Electron.
It’s amazing how deep Chromium (and web tech in general) got into everything. Microsoft - which I regarded for how light and well optimized Windows 8.1 was - went from using Chromium for Edge to using it basically everywhere. Latest observation is how you open Copilot app, chat a little and see how it eats 4 GB of RAM and lags like hell, on a higher end business laptop.
which I regarded for how light and well optimized Windows 8.1 was
I don’t think I’m alone in saying “light” and “well-optimized” are not words that fit the Windows 8.1 experience.
Mediocre in almost all aspects is the best descriptor for 8.1 and honestly that’s pretty generous given how bad 8.0 was
It was basically a faster 7 (also less hungry). Universally hated Metro stuff can be get rid of easily. Plus it had better forward compatibility - I could run some apps that said to require windows 10 which I knew didn’t work on 7.
